Dave, ignoring all of your caustic insults in the diatribe below, let me say
that I did not give up on the discussion because I felt defeated or had no
point to make. I ended that discussion because I realized that, 1, we would
not agree, which we really never have, and that is no surprise, and 2,
because, as you often do, you have drifted off topic to the point of
accusing me of dening things I have admitted, and even have written about
and agreed with. If you can stay on topic and stop trying to accuse me of
that, then we can continue. But when you begin to drift I can see that there
is no use in continuing.
Let me try to bring you back on topic, and perhaps we can continue if you
stop the caustic remarks and stay on topic...the topic was whether or not
Moses could see God's "FACE" and survive. You have taken it entirely off
track, changing the topic is on whether or not Moses saw god at all. Way off
topic. Once you do that, and begin to state that I said that Moses did not
see god, you are dealing in a fantasy world, and I lose interest in trying
to bring you back around...it begins to feel quit futile after a few
exchanges. The discussion NEVER was about whether or not Moses saw God...the
point is, and I made it clear, that Moses did see whatever god presented to
him to see...whether it was a burning bush, his glory, a pillar of file, a
column of smoke...Moses saw them all. However, he did not see god's "face",
whatever god presented that he referred to as his "face". His "face", Moses
did not see, or else he would have died, for no man could see that and live.
Are you back up to speed? if so, continue, but if you insist on carrying it
off into the woods again, I won;t continue.
And for the second topic, it certainly is not a theological matter...it is a
logical matter. Either the mormon god had a beginning or he didn't...Moses
1:3 says he did not...you say he did. Go for it.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:35:28 -0800
*on to my second question**...how the mormon god, who is "without beginning
of days" is also a created being, thus, with a finite beginning. *
DAVEH: I hardly looked at, or even thought about it Perry. If you so
stubbornly deny the obvious message (about Moses seeing God) in the Bible,
to discuss something else that requires a lot more understanding of LDS
theology is futile. You would never be able to understand it from my
perspective due to your preconceived notions. The logic for understanding
that it does not contradict the Bible requires a much broader understanding
of the Bible message than you would be capable of comprehending.....which
has become obvious from your perception of the Moses saw God passages we've
just discussed. And.....you've stated your goal to denigrate my
beliefs.......So why bother.
Over the years I've been on TT, I've come to realize that most TTers (I
won't even say Protestants) are very entrenched in their beliefs to the
point that they cannot think out of the box. I suppose you could say the
same about me, but I perceive it from a much broader perspective. You have
confined your understanding to a very limited view of how the Bible is
perceived, which is heavily rooted in tradition. Because theological
theories have been founded centuries ago, and been previously thoroughly
discussed by historical scholars, it doesn't seem to leave you much room to
expand your thinking. The assumption that what you have been taught is
superior to that which the Lord may have subsequently revealed clouds your
thinking. Instead of looking at it with an open mind, you simply have
declared LDS theology to be evil, and apparently assume that anything I
believe is absolutely contrary to the Bible. At least that's the way I see
it, Perry.
Basically.....I would be happy to discuss your above question with
somebody who would actually be willing to have a meaningful discussion
about it without getting his nose bent out of shape and curtly
declares.......
*I am done with this topic. I have stated my position. /*Fini.*/ *We are
not destined to agree, and that is okay with me.* Get you last shot in,
then... *
.........Of course you are done with it, Perry......your assumption was
shown to be in error. But I was not done at all.....I had only discussed
one aspect....Moses seeing God. It is obvious that your theory
contradicts the Bible, and we had not yet even discussed the other
evidences the Bible gives to show the weakness of your position. How can
the discussion possibly be *Fini *when we have covered just a narrow window
of the topic....Moses? Yes, you have stated your opinion, but you failed
to allow the discussion to continue to the point of considering the other
evidences the Bible gives that contradict your theory. In fairness to you,
I had not yet offered that evidence due to nature of our initial few
exchanges being limited to Moses seeing God. But since you have
prematurely ended the discussion, it brought termination to what I consider
to be a fascinating contradiction in Protestant theology.....that most
Protestants believe God could not be seen (without severe consequence), but
yet Jesus....fully being God....was seen by many. So....it is quite
apparent that you really don't want to have a meaningful discussion about
these things Perry. Hence my reluctance to continue on to another topic
without the ability to appropriately conclude the first one. But....if
another TTer (other than an anti-Mormon) would be willing to discuss this
aspect, I'd sure appreciate it.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
My second question? If you have no rationalization, just say so instead of
dodging it.
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