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> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 11/25/2005 3:16:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil
man' says Dean Moore
>
> Dean wrote:
> > I had the set ...
>
> You HAD the set? Do you still have it? Did you ever read the entire
work?
cd: No- I gave most of my library to the local Wesleyan Church-No I did not
read the entire work-but as you know we can know a tree by its fruit-when A
Saints plan and carries out a gruesome death of another Christian and later
shows no remorse they have nothing that I want to study to find truth.
>
> Dean wrote concerning Calvin:
> > ... I see a lost man trying to understand
> > the bible what part did you like?
>
> What about most of it? Very little of it involves burning heretics at
the
> stake. By the way, some of those like Servetus who suffered such a fate
> also believed that heretics should be burned at the stake. It was a
> different culture back then.
cd: No matter evil begets evil and two wrongs do not make a right.Here are
a couple of questions you should answer:
1.Can J.Calvin be scripturally justified for putting Michael Servetus to
death?
2.Does a murderous hate,such as Calvin had,render one spiritually unable to
accurately interpret the scriptures (1Cor.2:14; 1 Jn 2:9-11)
3. Can a unrepentant be saved (1 Jn3:15, Rev 21:8)?
History states that Sarvetus begged for pity from Calvin (who used green
wood as to make him suffer longer)for 3 hours and received none. Do you
believe Calvin will receive any from God?
>
> What did you think about books I & II concerning the knowledge of God?
cd: I don't need Satan to teach me the word of God.
>
> Here is a suitable quote from Book II, Chapter VII, Section 12 & 13.
>
> John Calvin wrote:
> -----------------------------
> Section 12:
> The third use of the Law (being also the principal use, and more closely
> connected with its proper end) has respect to believers in whose hearts
the
> Spirit of God already flourishes and reigns. For although the Law is
written
> and engraven on their hearts by the finger of God, that is, although they
> are so influenced and actuated by the Spirit, that they desire to obey
God,
> there are two ways in which they still profit in the Law. For it is the
best
> instrument for enabling them daily to learn with greater truth and
certainty
> what that will of the Lord is which they aspire to follow, and to confirm
> them in this knowledge; just as a servant who desires with all his soul
to
> approve himself to his master, must still observe, and be careful to
> ascertain his master's dispositions, that he may comport himself in
> accommodation to them. Let none of us deem ourselves exempt from this
> necessity, for none have as yet attained to such a degree of wisdom, as
that
> they may not, by the daily instruction of the Law, advance to a purer
> knowledge of the Divine will. Then, because we need not doctrine merely,
but
> exhortation also, the servant of God will derive this further advantage
from
> the Law: by frequently meditating upon it, he will be excited to
obedience,
> and confirmed in it, and so drawn away from the slippery paths of sin. In
> this way must the saints press onward, since, however great the alacrity
> with which, under the Spirit, they hasten toward righteousness, they are
> retarded by the sluggishness of the flesh, and make less progress than
they
> ought. The Law acts like a whip to the flesh, urging it on as men do a
lazy
> sluggish ass. Even in the case of a spiritual man, inasmuch as he is
still
> burdened with the weight of the flesh, the Law is a constant stimulus,
> pricking him forward when he would indulge in sloth. David had this use
in
> view when he pronounced this high eulogium on the Law, "The law of the
Lord
> is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making
> wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart:
> the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes," (Psa 19: 7,
8).
> Again, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path," (Psa
> 119: 105). The whole psalm abounds in passages to the same effect. Such
> passages are not inconsistent with those of Paul, which show not the
utility
> of the law to the regenerate, but what it is able of itself to bestow.
The
> object of the Psalmist is to celebrate the advantages which the Lord, by
> means of his law, bestows on those whom he inwardly inspires with a love
of
> obedience. And he adverts not to the mere precepts, but also to the
promise
> annexed to them, which alone makes that sweet which in itself is bitter.
For
> what is less attractive than the law, when, by its demands and
threatening,
> it overawes the soul, and fills it with terror? David specially shows
that
> in the law he saw the Mediator, without whom it gives no pleasure or
> delight.
cd: I wonder who he stole this from?
>
> Section 13:
> Some unskilful persons, from not attending to this, boldly discard the
whole
> law of Moses, and do away with both its Tables, imagining it unchristian
to
> adhere to a doctrine which contains the ministration of death. Far from
our
> thoughts be this profane notion. Moses has admirably shown that the Law,
> which can produce nothing but death in sinners, ought to have a better
and
> more excellent effect upon the righteous. When about to die, he thus
> addressed the people, "Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify
> among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to
do,
> all the words of this law. For it is not a vain thing for you; because it
is
> your life," (Deu 32: 46, 47). If it cannot be denied that it contains a
> perfect pattern of righteousness, then, unless we ought not to have any
> proper rule of life, it must be impious to discard it. There are not
various
> rules of life, but one perpetual and inflexible rule; and, therefore,
when
> David describes the righteous as spending their whole lives in meditating
on
> the Law, (Psa 1: 2), we must not confine to a single age, an employment
> which is most appropriate to all ages, even to the end of the world. ...
> ------------------------
>
> Do you like it? Does this writing really sound like a lost man trying to
> understand the Bible?
cd: To say such and live against this the same-doesn't make a saint-If he
was so concerned about the Law why break it by killing an innocent man.
>
> I grant you that some parts of it do sound like a lost man, but certainly
> not all of it, nor even most of it.
cd:A parrot can quote truth-but can that parrot understand what he
says?The facts show that Calvin did not-Tell how many souls have seen harm
from the Tulip Calvin pushed?The OSAS in itself had led many to hell and
many more to fall away.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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