How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you
are already deceived by the religion you were
either born into or have chosen to follow?
DAVEH: It seems pretty obvious to me that at
least one of the positions put forth on TT about Calvin is wrong, Judy.
I don't quite see how both you and Dean can be right in your assessment of
him, and DavidM be right as well. Do you agree?
No, DavidM says he is not pro Calvin either;
he just thought Dean's and perhaps my sources to hard on him
and in his opinion not as accurate
as his sources.
Assuming you do, and
assuming you believe your (and Dean's) understanding of Calvin is correct,
then how do you explain that DavidM is likewise deceived about Calvin?
He is not under JS's influence, as you presume me to be.
I think DavidM is aware of what Calvin was
about but he seems to be focused on the historical aspect
and
the pull of culture etc. whereas Dean and
myself are focused on the spiritual. Today at BSF we
studied
Abram who was called out of his culture and
had to leave everything he knew and was familiar with to follow
God. Jesus
calls disciples to himself on the same terms.
It wouldn't be my first choice but we are limited
by what is available in the town where we
live.
DAVEH: Is there an LDS Church there? And if so, have
you ever attended one of its meetings?
We have a Mormon Stake at the northern end of
our city and no I have never attended a meeting there.
I have been to their Family History Room in
studying genealogy and would give them an A for
helpfulness
in that area..
Mormonism is a controlling religion
also with a prophet who can not ever be
wrong.
DAVEH: ??? What makes you think that, Judy?
Did I not say exactly the opposite recently? Once again it is obvious
that truth is lacking in TT. FTR......Mormon prophets are not
infallible.
Oophs! Sorry if I missed it on that one
but Mormonism does put Joseph Smiths writings either on an equal
or higher level than the holy
scriptures.
Now, I don't want to
pick on your, Judy....But in light of your below comment to
me........
How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you
are already deceived by the religion you were
either born into or have chosen to follow?
I don't claim to be an expert on Mormonism
DaveH and I wouldn't put one mistatement on the same
level
as a life
teaching.
.......it would seem to me that your inability to discern truth might be related to who you've have chosen to follow in TT. Making such a
mistake would cause me to suspect whether or not your perspective on the truth
about Calvin is likewise incorrect.
Oh well! That's up to you DaveH - I
would call that the "gift of suspicion" which is rampant in all
religions.
BTW....Since you feel so
strongly about (against) Calvin, do you feel comfortable worshiping in a
setting that is somewhat aligned with his theology?
Calvin the man has gone to his reward
whatever that might be, it's the legacy he left behind that is
bothersome. Ppl seem to
think that following Calvin is the same as following Christ not realizing that
all 'isms are problematic and best left
alone.
Judy Taylor wrote:
Either way....it leads me to believe truth is
pretty illusive on TT. Forgive me for harping on
that theme, but it
has become pretty apparent recently that truth really isn't the focus
of TT. If
anything, it seems to be more a place to argue truth
without real truth being all that relevant. I
don't know
if that makes any sense though.....
How would you be able to discern truth DaveH
when you are already deceived by the
religion you were either born into or have
chosen to follow? Joseph Smith may not have
burned ppl at the stake for heresy but his life
and teaching don't measure up either.
FWIW.....I do have a genuine interest in Calvin, as I've heard a lot of
stuff related to him on
the radio program (Key Life Ministries with
Steve Brown) who is apparently a Calvinist (if that is
possible with SB
being a Presbyterian?) Anyway....hearing about him has given me a
mild interest
in knowing about his theology. Now that I'm hearing
two sides of the coin in TT, it just seems a
little odd. I'm
just not sure I want to spend a whole lot of time trying to sort out the
truth about
him from the clutter.
Not only possible but probable since
Presbyterianism is the fruit of Calvin's teachings along
with the Geneva Bible
with his footnotes. The church I attend is Presbyterian and there
are lots
of nice folk
there. However, I am aware that there is a Calvinistic bent and so
guard my heart
against it. It wouldn't be my first
choice but we are limited by what is available in the town
where
we live. You may not see the problem
the same way since Mormonism is a controlling religion
also with a prophet who can not ever be
wrong.
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