Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

[Dave Hansen]

How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you are already deceived by the religion you were either born into or have chosen to follow? DAVEH:    It seems pretty obvious to me that at least one of the positions put forth on TT about Calvin is wrong, Judy.  I don't quite see how both you and Dean can be right in your assessment of him, and DavidM be right as well.  Do you agree?     Assuming you do, and assuming you believe your (and Dean's) understanding of Calvin is correct, then how do you explain that DavidM is likewise deceived about Calvin?  He is not under JS's influence, as you presume me to be. It wouldn't be my first choice but we are limited by what is available in the town where we live. DAVEH:  Is there an LDS Church there?  And if so, have you ever attended one of its meetings? Mormonism is a controlling religion also with a prophet who can not ever be wrong. DAVEH:  ???   What makes you think that, Judy?  Did I not say exactly the opposite recently?  Once again it is obvious that truth is lacking in TT.  FTR......Mormon prophets are not infallible.     Now, I don't want to pick on your, Judy....But in light of your below comment to me........ How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you are already deceived by the religion you were either born into or have chosen to follow? .......it would seem to me that your inability to discern truth might be related to who you've have chosen to follow in TT.  Making such a mistake would cause me to suspect whether or not your perspective on the truth about Calvin is likewise incorrect.     BTW....Since you feel so strongly about (against) Calvin, do you feel comfortable worshiping in a setting that is somewhat aligned with his theology? Judy Taylor wrote:     Either way....it leads me to believe truth is pretty illusive on TT.  Forgive me for harping on that theme, but it has become pretty apparent recently that truth really isn't the focus of TT.  If anything, it seems to be more a place to argue truth without real truth being all that relevant.  I don't know if that makes any sense though.....   How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you are already deceived by the religion you were either born into or have chosen to follow?  Joseph Smith may not have burned ppl at the stake for heresy but his life and teaching don't measure up either.     FWIW.....I do have a genuine interest in Calvin, as I've heard a lot of stuff related to him on the radio program (Key Life Ministries with Steve Brown) who is apparently a Calvinist (if that is possible with SB being a Presbyterian?)  Anyway....hearing about him has given me a mild interest in knowing about his theology.  Now that I'm hearing two sides of the coin in TT, it just seems a little odd.  I'm just not sure I want to spend a whole lot of time trying to sort out the truth about him from the clutter.    Not only possible but probable since Presbyterianism is the fruit of Calvin's teachings along with the Geneva Bible with his footnotes.  The church I attend is Presbyterian and there are lots of nice folk there.  However, I am aware that there is a Calvinistic bent and so guard my heart against it. It wouldn't be my first choice but we are limited by what is available in the town where we live.  You may not see the problem the same way since Mormonism is a controlling religion also with a prophet who can not ever be wrong.     -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.