I would expect Satan to teach his people to shun the cross...it is
the very instrument of his defeat.
DAVEH: Really? As I see it, the cross was the most successful tool
Satan could devise to torture and kill our beloved Lord. Everything
else he tried failed....but, the cross did the job.
The resurrection was the defeat of death....and
Satan. Removing the guarded stone blocking the entrance, and rising
from the tomb was the symbol of Satan's defeat, Perry. Perhaps you
should consider hanging a millstone about your neck......
How do you see it that Jesus and the Apostles glorified the
cross? Did they idolize it, and turn it into jewelery? Was it
displayed on their edifices? Or are those examples simply Christian
traditions that lay no claim to Biblical validity? Biblical
references would be appreciated.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
I hope you don't mind me intruding on your intrusion. I
would expect Satan to teach his people to shun the cross...it is the
very instrument of his defeat. Besides, Christ himself used the
cross as a symbol, as did the Apostles. If it is good enough for them,
it is good enough for me. And, it is a frequent reminder of the
tremendous sacrifice Jesus paid for our sins. I just do not think of
that when I see a beehive.
Perry
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DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with
Blaine, Kevin. This topic is of particular interest to me, as I've
seen quite a few crosses at the sides of highways I travel. Quite
often, they indicate places where people have died, or in the case of
cemeteries.....where they are buried...........
..........In the past couple thousand years, many Christians have
idolized the cross to depict the death of Jesus.........
.......which to me seems rather bizarre to me....if not macabre. Some
Christians have taken to wearing jewelery, and displaying crosses in
their abodes and places of worship.........
.........As I see it, those crosses depict the *cruel tool* used to
bring not only much pain and suffering to our beloved Savior, but also
the device that was used by God's enemies to kill our Lord. This
inhumane instrument was designed not only to kill God's children, but
at the same time to punitively torture them in a humiliating and
degrading way. It always amazes me that some Christians would have
such an affinity to such a devilish device that brings pain, suffering
and death to the minds of many who see it, and especially to those who
were victims of it.
I'm curious as to how you would feel about something similar,
Kevin. I don't know if you have any children, but for the sake of this
discussion let's assume you do. If your enemy were to maliciously use
a knife to torture your daughter for a couple days to the point that
the wounds killed her, would you be predisposed to wear a piece of
jewelry on a chain around your neck in the form of a knife to remind
you of what the guy did to your daughter? And, how would you feel if
you drove by a gun & knife store, and saw a sign depicting knives
that looked similar to the one that killed your daughter......Would it
bring back fond memories?
LDS folks appreciate the dying sacrifice of our Lord in our behalf.
But we don't glorify the tool that killed him. It sickens me to think
of man's inhumanity that would bring such pain, suffering and death to
one who did not deserve it. Nor do we idolize the cross as do so many
others. Rather, we prefer to remember his sacrifice and glorify his
Father---not the cross--- for the resurrection of his Son.
FWIW.....We have a large Christian church near us that a few years
ago put 3 large prominent crosses on their building that are lit up at
night with blue lights that are very noticeable to the cars passing by
on the freeway........
http://www.rollinghills.org/about_us/campus/index.cfm
.........This picture really doesn't show them very well compared to
the cars on the freeway, as it is taken from the wrong angle and at
quite a distance. I have sometimes wondered if Jesus were to travel
that road, what would he think if he were to pass such an edifice that
memorializes his death in such a manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he
would wince at such a sight. And......It bothers me to think that
some would pain him in such a callous way.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Exactly they bought into the counterfeit.
*How art thou _fallen from heaven_, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For
thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will _exalt
my throne above the stars_ of God: I will sit also upon the mount of
the congregation, in the sides of the north:...*
*Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.*
*North Star*, which represents *Jesus Christ. *
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What does the CROSS "REPRESENT" Blaine?
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