Blaine,

Try reading through the NT and replace every occurrence of the word "cross" with "star". The text becomes meaningless. The cross is a MAJOR part of the Chrsitian landscape, directly from scripture. It has meaning and value beyond merely an instrument of death, and is the VERY symbol of our freedom in Christ. The star does not.

The atonement did not happen in Gethsemane, it did not happen at the resurrection. It happened on the cross. Our Lord cried out "it is finished" at the moment the debt we can never pay was paid by Him. To deny or to try to change that is to deny scripture.

Perry


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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:24:13 EST


As I said to Iz, the cross is deeply  embedded in the Christian psyche.  It
is in mine as well. But since you guys have made an issue of the stars thing,
it has occurred to me that stars  are better than crosses, and I advocate
changing crosses on all Christian churches to stars--whether 5 or 6 pointed, is not an issue with me. The Jewish star of David, by the way, is probably a symbol of their expected Messiah--I'd have to check that out. Maybe they had
it right in the  beginning.

Blainerb
In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:36:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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check  out these  crosses:

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/index.html


>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>To:  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
>Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:39:55 EST
>
>
>Blainerb: There are quite a few "cross" songs in the LDS hymnbook. It is >not a bad word, it is just the context in which it is used. We believe in >"taking up our cross," so to speak, which means we give up the pleasures
>of the
>world, and are even willing to   suffer if necessary to live more
>righteously.
> But we still think the cross as a visible symbol of Jesus falls short of >what He stands for--the most important of which is resurrection to life in
>the
>Kingdom of God--God's   life.  We do not think that is adequately
>represented
>by a cross. Now stars, whether pentagrams or whatever, obviously fill the >bill, since that's where we hope to be--in heaven, where the stars are at.
>  :>)
> Stars make for an excellent symbol of Jesus Christ, whereas a cross is
>dubious at  best.
>
>
>In a message dated 12/13/2005 5:56:55 A.M.  Mountain Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
>
>Why did the LDS "CHOIR" sing songs about the Cross you dispise at general
>Conference  last  October?
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>In a message  dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard  Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, “He Loved Me with a
>Crossâ€
>.   iz
>
>
>One of the  weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged  Cross.  It
>seemed
>to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day
>is overly fond of that old  rugged  cross. :>)
>Blainerb
>
>
>





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