----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 18, 2005 09:59
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of
heart of "unregenerate" gentiles
Hi Dean:
Thanks for your response and please pray for
me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage
our son and DIL who want to raise our grandson in
Church but the more I learn about it the worse it becomes.
Our Pastor is smart, charismatic, and has been to
three different Bible schools and in four different denoms.
He has a Phd and THIS is what he has
chosen? It boggles the mind. Last week he was teaching
us that the
sin of "unbelief" had been taken care of at the
cross. So I guess that makes the whole of Romans 11 null
and
void and no branches have to be concerned about
being cut off and burned. The elect have it made in the
shade
but noone seems to be able to know for sure who they
are. It's confusion at best and an antiChrist
spirit at worst.
Don't know whether or not I can stay the
course.....
cd: Amen Judy for their fruits are enough-Studying their teaching
apart from their works
is the reason those -who support Calvin-on this site are
confused. We see their work so
we have no need for their teachings. We don't have to study
the Satanic Bible to know
our enemy for truth sheds a bright light on him already. The
Bible teaches to look at their
fruits and their works is what God Judges every man by-so we can
also use God tool to
know them.
I have yet
to hurl an epithet anywhere Lance. My objection to Calvinism is
for some very specific reasons with or
without "firsthand
knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the man. His
teachings are enough. I will
leave the man to
God. I have no desire to be an expert on John Calvin the man or any
other anti-Christ (meaning in
place of) figure for
that matter and this would include Athanasius,
Augustine, Aquinas, et al. along to the present
Papacy both rc and
protestant. I am happy to leave you to
tend to them while I press on to know the Lord and the
power of His resurrection in my daily life.
Were I prone to worry Judy, YOU would not
be among those about whom I would. Why? I perceive you to be a
completely and utterly genuine believer, who esteems the Scriptures
highly and who lives what she believes. Now, when it comes to the
hurling of epithets at those servants of God about whom you possess no
firsthand knowledge, I'd put you alongside DaveH and Blainer and their
knowledge of the TRUE GOSPEL. (Believe it or not, this is a sort of
compliment, Judy)
I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading
of primary source material when they examined what Paul
preached.
Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had
read source material when he exhorted 1st Century Christians not
to even
wish a false
teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a "partaker of his
evil deeds" If I were prone to worry
you would worry me
Lance. You are more concerned about these men than you are about Jesus
Himself and the
ministry of the Spirit of Christ. IMO
you need to do more primary reading from the source of all Truth
- then you
will more accurately be qualified to discern
between good and evil. Your qualifications are not those of
Christ.
YOU JUDY are not entitled to call it
anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as I know, any reading of
primary source material (2 vol Institutes, Commentaries). It's akin
to hearing an atheist condemn the teachings of the Scriptures based
upon the same sort of evidentiary inquiry that you've conducted with
John Calvin.
Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable
Lance? Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if
not from
him? What should we call doctrine
taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th Century
Churches? Can I call
it teachings of Calvin that Lance calls
hearsay?
With apologies (sort of) in advance
to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask you once again, Judy:
Do you believe that you are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN
CALVIN? IMO, your regard for Scriptures appears to be
second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same thing as
understanding). However, you do indeed appear to read/study and
live it insofar as you are enabled. Scripture is a primary
source for you. Amen! for that. Now, other
than the blessed internet, how much of John Calvin's own
writings, have you actually read. Do you possess anything
whatsoever by him? If all that you know of him would be classed
as 'hearsay' then do cease and desist from your unfounded
allegations hereafter. Stick to that which you claim
to understand, please?.
Sure they do, they camp around John
Calvin don't they? Why do you think there are so
many
different doctrines all claiming to
be the truth?
..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological
error in your neck of the woods?
CPL, Are [Bible] readers who believe
that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for
the already converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets'
Christian/s?
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Matt 7:11 is a
scripture that is used to encourage people to seek the
Baptism in the Holy
Spirit... jt
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for reference:
7:12So in everything, do [the
good] to others [t]hat you would have them do to
you, for this sums up the Law and the
Prophets.
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
