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You keep wanting to card file everyone and everything
Lance. Pat Robertson is charismatic - yes
but that is not to say that everyone at Regent
University believes this way - it is equal opportunity. His Hotel has been
sold to a secular company. A lot of things happen
because of the ebb and flow of the almighty dollar. My
daughter's
roomate worked at Regent for a while - calling a list
of the big donors to see if they would give more $$ and she was
shocked that they asked on the form she filled out if
she spoke in tongues which is anathema in Reformed circles.
Isn't RU a 'charismatic' U? Maybe those who drive
45 min see what you cannot!
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Sent: December 19, 2005 08:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of
heart of "unregenerate" gentiles
By charismatic I mean charming and he is
"educated". I've not met any Reformed ppl who are into spiritual
giftings
but we get a lot of ppl from Regent University who
drive 45 minutes to come out here which tells me there is a
dearth
at VA Beach also. This fellow is OK for
historical background and a philosophical overview and ppl like the
"look"
of success so they keep joining the
church.
How are you using 'charismatic'? IFF the
Spirit of God is NOT present in this church Judy, flee immediately! IFF
the Spirit of God IS present in this church Judy, then take care
concerning those accusations lest you falsely accuse one of God's
own.
D**n Judy, but you're one c***y
lady!!
No, I figure God is able to keep us and our son
is doing his own homework which is more than many.
The missionary girl (just spent 7yrs in
Ukraine) that just moved into an Apt with our youngest girl
was
raised in what they call the Reformed faith and
has never questioned it. Many pew sitters want to be
spoon fed by someone who is charismatic,
entertaining, and has a good personality and if God doesn't
show up - Oh well!! They wouldn't know
the difference.
Are you, Judy, concerned for your
son/yourself in this church, under this pastor?
He does JD and if he left almost the whole
church would go with him. It is definitely "he" who has
it
"going on" rather than the
Lord. You would like him. You could laugh at all his jokes
appreciate all
the books he has read and cites in his
sermons and join his pastorly following especially since you
are pleased to accommodate Calvinism -
you'd probably fit right in.
Your pastors name? Sounds as though he has it going
on !!!!! jd
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Dean:
Thanks for your response and please
pray for me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to
encourage
our son and DIL who want to raise our
grandson in Church but the more I learn about it the worse it
becomes.
Our Pastor is smart, charismatic, and
has been to three different Bible schools and in four different
denoms.
He has a Phd and THIS is what he
has chosen? It boggles the mind. Last week he was
teaching us that the
sin of "unbelief" had been taken care
of at the cross. So I guess that makes the whole of Romans
11 null and
void and no branches have to be
concerned about being cut off and burned. The elect
have it made in the shade but noone
seems to be able to know for sure who they are. It's
confusion at best and an antiChrist
spirit at worst. Don't know
whether or not I can stay the course.....
cd: Amen Judy for their fruits are enough-Studying
their teaching apart from their works
is the reason those -who support Calvin-on this
site are confused. We see their work so
we have no need for their teachings. We don't
have to study the Satanic Bible to know
our enemy for truth sheds a bright light
on him already. The Bible teaches to look at their
fruits and their works is what God Judges every man
by-so we can also use God tool to
know them.
I have yet to hurl an epithet anywhere
Lance. My objection to Calvinism is for some very
specific reasons with or
without "firsthand knowledge or intricate and specific
detail" about Calvin the man. His teachings are enough.
I will
leave the man to God. I have no desire to be an
expert on John Calvin the man or any other anti-Christ
(meaning in
place of) figure for that
matter and this would include Athanasius, Augustine,
Aquinas, et al. along to the present
Papacy both rc and protestant. I am happy to leave you to
tend to them while I press on to know the Lord and the
power of His resurrection in my daily life.
Were I prone to worry Judy,
YOU would not be among those about whom I would. Why? I
perceive you to be a completely and utterly genuine
believer, who esteems the Scriptures highly and who lives
what she believes. Now, when it comes to the hurling of
epithets at those servants of God about whom you possess
no firsthand knowledge, I'd put you alongside DaveH and
Blainer and their knowledge of the TRUE GOSPEL. (Believe
it or not, this is a sort of compliment,
Judy)
I wonder if the Bereans had
done any reading of primary source material when they
examined what Paul preached.
Also the apostle John, I wonder
if he had read source material when he exhorted 1st
Century Christians not to even
wish a false teacher "godspeed" for if they did
they would be a "partaker of his evil deeds" If I
were prone to worry
you would worry me Lance. You are more
concerned about these men than you are about Jesus
Himself and the
ministry of the Spirit of
Christ. IMO you need to do more primary reading
from the source of all Truth - then
you
will more accurately be
qualified to discern between good and evil. Your
qualifications are not those of Christ.
YOU JUDY are not entitled
to call it anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as
I know, any reading of primary source material (2 vol
Institutes, Commentaries). It's akin to hearing an
atheist condemn the teachings of the Scriptures based
upon the same sort of evidentiary inquiry that you've
conducted with John Calvin.
Would Calvinistic heresay
be acceptable Lance? Where did the doctrine
called Calvinism come from if not from
him? What should we
call doctrine taken from his institutes and taught
in our 20th Century Churches? Can I
call
it teachings of Calvin that
Lance calls hearsay?
With apologies (sort
of) in advance to David Miller and Linda Shields,
I ask you once again, Judy: Do you believe that
you are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN CALVIN?
IMO, your regard for Scriptures appears to be
second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same
thing as understanding). However, you do indeed
appear to read/study and live it insofar as you
are enabled. Scripture is a primary source for
you. Amen! for that. Now,
other than the blessed internet, how much of John
Calvin's own writings, have you actually
read. Do you possess anything whatsoever by him?
If all that you know of him would be classed as
'hearsay' then do cease and desist from your
unfounded allegations hereafter. Stick
to that which you claim to understand,
please?.
Sure they do, they camp
around John Calvin don't they? Why do you
think there are so many
different doctrines all
claiming to be the truth?
..do Bible readers 'camp' around
theological error in your neck of the
woods?
CPL, Are [Bible] readers
who believe that JC taught that encouraging
the baptism of the HS for the already
converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets'
Christian/s?
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Matt 7:11 is a
scripture that is used to encourage people to
seek the Baptism in
the Holy
Spirit... jt
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for reference:
7:12So in everything, do
[the good] to others [t]hat you would have
them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the
Prophets.
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep
His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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