JD wrote:
> David maneuves to  pin jd to the wall:

Wrong spirit, JD.  I have no interest in pinning you to the wall.  You bring 
your competitive spirit from wrestling into the wrong forum.

David Miller wrote:
>> Upon what authority do you base your perspective
>> that Mark was not around during Christ's ministry?
>>
>> I caution you not to embellish upon second hand
>> theories that you read from theologians in such a
>> way that it would cause you to reject primary
>> historical documents.

JD wrote:
> Up until this point in time,  present day scholarship is
> my reason for believing that Mark was not present.

Which scholarship?  You have not quoted anyone.  We have no idea if you are 
misinterpreting a modern scholar, or if you are reading a modern scholar who 
has misinterpreted another modern scholar.

JD wrote:
> I do not consider Hippo to be a reliable historian.
> He may correct in his statement, 200 years  after
> the fact, but I will trust those who have written
> otherwise.   And the point of my post remains.

I have asked you for your authority.  Why do you withhold his name?

JD wrote:
> Is not Hippolytus' opinion a second hand opinion?

His writing on this subject is among the oldest that we might consider.  Is 
it "second hand opinion"?  Perhaps, but he would be considered a primary 
source for whatever modern scholarship you are considering. You have quoted 
nobody that contradicts Hippolytus.

By the way, Hippolytus did not declare himself an antipope.  They had no 
popes back then.  Many modern authorities consider him the first antipope, 
but such characterization is based upon the acceptance of Roman Catholic 
history and how one wants to spin history.  If you read some Jewish history, 
you will find some who write of Jesus as being an anti-Messiah.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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