Got lost in the shuffle. "Salvation" has more than one definition IMO. We are saved from judgment. We are saved from ourselves. Perhaps there are other considerations, We are not involved in the former. We are partners (ontologically speaking) in the latter.
jd
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From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DAVEH: Because it seems you may have missed it, Bishop
BTW....Why did you ignore my question about the dual nature of salvation? Was that on purpose?.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you agree with Perry, then why the question?-------------- Original message --------------
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Without the resurrection, all that Christ said and did is of no consequence.
DAVEH: Did I not say the very same thing in previous posts, Pastor? If you failed to note that I had said virtually the same thing, then FTR let it be known that the above is similar to the way I believe as well.
BTW...Do you remember me talking about the dual aspect of salvation.....the atonement, and the resurrection? I asked you if you understood it in the same way, but do not recall your answer. Did I overlook something, or did you just not respond?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Again, DH, your question of Perry gives me further evidence that the Mormon Church has no clue as to the atonement as taught in preApostate scripture. Without the resurrection, all that Christ said and did is of no consequence. We clearly do not share the same gospel if that is not a part of your faith.jd-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >From: Dave
> >/*The gospel didn't even have POWER until he was rose from the dead. */
> >
> >DAVEH: Wow! I'd never heard that before, Perry. Is that something you
> >just made up, or is that commonly believed by many Christians?
>
> Dave, I take it you do not believe that statement, thinking I made it up,
> right?
>
> Jesus had prophesied on many occasions that he would be raised up on the
> third day (Mat 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 26:61; 27:63; Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34;
> Loke 9:22; 18:33; 24:6,7; 24:46). Had he not been resurrected on the third
> day, that would have made him a false prophet, and all that he said and did
> ; ; would have been for n aught. (1 Cor 15:13).
>
> Why did you think the guards were placed at the tomb? Why do you think the
> seal was placed on the tomb? (Mat 27:62-66)
>
> Everything Jesus did and said was ultimately hinged on the resurrection. So,
> yes, the resurrection is what gives the gospel it's power.
>
> Paul taught the resurrection: Acts 17:18
>
> Power by the resurrection: Romans 1:4
>
> If not risen, preaching and faith in vain: 1 Cor 15:13
>
> The power of His resurrection: Phil 3:10
>
> Begotten unto a lively hope by His resurrection : 1 Pet 1:3
>
> Dave, do you still think I was making it up?
>
> Perry
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