The following sounds like a rebuke of the heathen to me: Acts 17:29-31 (29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. (30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
So does the following from Peter: Acts 2:40 (40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. The following sounds like rebuke from Stephen: Acts 7:51-54 (51) Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. (52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: (53) Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. (54) When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Jesus rebuked outside the church. Read Matthew 23. David Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now Yes, there is everything wrong with that. YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE . That's what's wrong with "that." Grace belongs on the streets and rebuking belongs in the church - your scripture below verifies this conclusion. Paul is neither on a street corner preaching the words of 5:1-13 nor does he issue time limits for the obedienct response of a disciple of Christ. Nor does he ever sound like a prophet, ala one of most recent posts. jd -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > JD wrote: > > When we insist on such an evidence for the Indwelling, > > artificial time limits are put into effect and we become > > the administrator of continuing fellowship. . > > So, is there something wrong with that? Paul wrote: > > 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 > (1) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such > fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should > have his father's wife. > (2) And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath > done this deed might be taken away from among you. > (3) For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged > already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this > deed, > (4) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, > and > my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, > (5) To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, > that > the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. > (6) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth > the whole lump? > (7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye > are > unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: > (8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the > leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of > sincerity > and truth. > (9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: > (10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the > covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go > out > of the world. > (11) But now I have written u nto you not to keep company, if any man that > is > called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a > railer, > or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. > (12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye > judge them that are within? > (13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among > yourselves that wicked person. > > Was Paul wrong to instruct the Corinthian church to become the > administrator > of a loss of fellowship for someone in their midst who continued in > fornication? > > David Miller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now > > > if our lives have not changed and we continue to commit sins DM > & gt; I believe that you, David, think the two concepts cannot be separated..... > that change is witnessed, in part, by the end of personal sin. Where that > may be true, it conversely may not be true !! When we insist on such an > evidence for the Indwelling, artificial time limits are put into effect > and we become the administrator of continuing fellowship. . > > jd > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Miller" > > Lance, it is not helpful for you to post the comments of others in that we > cannot engage them in dialogue. Unfortunately, Debbie has been misreading > me on several posts. Because she is not here for me to provide her > feedback, she unfortunately thinks there is a difference where there is > none. I applaud the portions of "Victor's" lecture written below. I have > no problem understanding the difference between Sin and sins, and I think > I > understan d their proper place. As I said before which seems to keep going > unheard, I agree with Bill's perspective. I just don't agree that someone > should have a problem with someone who might emphasize in a particular > place > and for a particular time the secondary item. > > By the way, I happen to oversee the children's ministry at our church, and > I > am often in the position of instructing children. When we talk about moral > issues, they relate much better to specific examples of sins than they do > to > talking about Sin. You can be sure that I attempt to talk about Sin, but a > discussion of sins often leads to a better understanding of Sin. Just as > in > math we start with the adding and subtracting before getting to the more > useful and more important math, we can do the same thing when discussing > righteousness and salvation. > > One other point. If righteousness is our response to salvation in Jesus > Christ, then if righteo usness is not coming forth from us, if our lives > have > not changed and we continue to commit sins, is it not true that the > symptom > of sins is a valid observation to help a person realize that they might be > lukewarm or might not have embraced Christ in faith as they had thought > they > had? > > David Miller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lance Muir > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:50 AM > Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Debbie Sawczak > To: 'Lance Muir' > Sent: January 14, 2006 17:02 > Subject: OK, done working for now > > > paragraph in this lecture of Victor's: > > I've often said, too, that the hardest part of any service of worship for > the minister is the children's story, because nearly all the children's > stories here are mora listic bromides. It's just moralistic bromide. And > the > Gospel isn't heard because we assume that children can't understand the > Gospel. They can be taught not to steal, and they can be taught not to > swear, but they can't understand the Gospel. This is ridiculous, but keep > your eye on the Christian education wing of your church or denomination, > because that's where the Gospel goes down. > > It strikes me that street preaching and children's sermons go down the > same > wrong path! > > Paragraph from next lecture: > > The protestant reformers maintain that the root problem is Sin and it > gives > rise to sins. But be sure you know which is which, or you will never come > to > terms with the Gospel. Morality maintains that little "s" sins plural is > the > human predicament. The Gospel maintains that capital "S" Sin singular - > unbelief - is the predicament. > > This is the difference between David's understa nding of repentance and > Bill's/JD's. > > D > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 1/13/2006 > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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