While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked
them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They
said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does
David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: 'The LORD said to my Lord,
"Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? "If
David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his Son?"
Oh, and you know the question that you and the
Pharisees can't answer: "If David then calls him 'Lord,' how is he his
son?" Well, since Jesus is both God and man, he is both David's Lord
(God) and his son (man). That's what Peter is saying in Acts 2.36: "Therefore
let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom
you crucified, both LORD and Christ (Son of
David)."
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:18
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
I explained this the other day, Judy; in fact you
may return to my post on Acts 3.36 if you like. This is a statement -- and
strong affirmation on the part of David -- in regards to Jesus' divine
nature. We have been discussing his human nature. Where you confuse the two, I
do not. Hence it is not a problem for me to believe that the deity of Jesus
predated David, just like it predated Abraham, while later his
humanity received their Seed. The one needs not cancel out the other, unless
one confuses the two -- but then, of course, one is no longer speaking of
Christ.
Work on the following passage, Judy; it should
help you with your unbelief:
"For David says concerning him: 'I foresaw the LORD always
before my face, For He is at my right hand, that I may not be
shaken. Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad; Moreover
my flesh also will rest in hope. For You will not leave my soul in
Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. You have
made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of joy in Your
presence.' Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you
of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is
with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God
had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to
the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, he,
foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His
soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This
Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore being
exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the
promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and
hear. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your
enemies Your footstool.'" Therefore let all the house of Israel know
assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD and
Christ."
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:47
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
Jesus Himself and I agree with Him rather than with
"orthodoxy"... ie:
"While the Pharisees were
gathered together Jesus asked them, saying "What think ye of Christ?
Whose son is he?" They say unto him. The son of David. He saith unto
them.
"How then doth David in spirit call
him Lord saying The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right
hand till I make thine enemies thy
footstool?" If David then call him Lord, how is he his
son?
Looks like you are stuck in the same rut as the
Pharisees of that day were Bill .... (Matt 22:42-46)
What person among us indwelt
with the Holy Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ was born with David's
blood
running through his
veins?
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify
to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the
Offspring of David,
the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev
22.16
"Men and
brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch
David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to
this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to
the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,"
(Acts 2.29-30).
Although it was by way of his adoption by
Joseph that he was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not by
way of adoption that Jesus became the Seed of David: that came to him
"according to the flesh":
"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from
the seed (sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David
was?" (Joh 7.42).
"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was
born of the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom
1.3).
"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of
David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim
2.8).
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus
, neither God nor Man
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not
of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus
absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through
David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now
to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,
'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who
is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of adoption that
Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That would be a
blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does the law
serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the
Seed should come to whom the promise was made"
(Gal 2.19).
You know, Judy, you always say "Show me
in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or
are you going to live by your words?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16,
2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Jesus , neither God nor Man
Luke
writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals
(Act 2.30):
Not
exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him,
that
of the fruit of his loins,
according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his
throne."
Right, so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph
is in David's lineage but he is
hardly the biological father of Jesus is he? Even
though Jesus is born in his lineage.
hence he was not some kind of new humanity,
freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to
fallen humankind;
No, he
is human like David was human, born on our side of the
fall.
He
did not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did
not have a human father - He may have been
born on this side of the fall but he was most
definitely not born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy
ATST
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before
Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David'
predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated
David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that
his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him.
No, Jesus said that he (and this before his
glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the
LORD who covenants with Abraham.
So?? Noone here disputes
his heritage.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man,
two realities in one person, united -- but make
him anything less than God or anything more
than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless
to save you.
Either that or you are
courting religious spirits who are filling your head with the
doctrines they have been promoting for thousands of years. He doesn't have to be
fully anything. He is who the Word of God
says He is - which is the Word
made flesh.
Bill
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