> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 1/31/2006 1:13:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?
>
> cd wrote:
> > If it [flesh] was weak show me one biblical
> > account where it was weak-and we will discuss
> > that
>
> Here are two:
>
> Matthew 4:2-3
> (2) And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward
an
> hungred.
> (3) And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God,
> command that these stones be made bread.
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cd: Fasting and prayer does not make one weak David-Christ put the flesh
into subjection by fasting it made Him strong not weak.
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>
> Luke 22:42-46
> (42) Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
> nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
> (43) And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
> (44) And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as
it
> were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
> (45) And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he
> found them sleeping for sorrow,
> (46) And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into
> temptation.
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cd: I see no weakness here-Who in their right mind wouldn't ask God if
there wasn't another way if they foreknew this manner of death was
coming-proves He wasn't insane David.. He stated" never less let thy will
be done". A weak man doesn't pray till blood falls as sweat mostly for
us-only the strong can do this.
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>
> Also, the following passage speaks of "striving against sin" and says we
> should consider him. The clear implication is that he also strove against
> sin, just like we do.
>
> Hebrews 12:3-4
> (3) For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against
> himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
> (4) Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
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cd: The contradiction of sinners was at His trial when they contradicted
themselves and made false accusations or the opposition of sinners in His
daily life. Yes Christ also strove against sin but don't all born again
believers suffer such?
J.Wesley:
Heb 12:3 - Consider - Draw the comparison and think. The Lord bore all
this; and shall his servants bear nothing? Him that endured such
contradiction from sinners - Such enmity and opposition of every kind Lest
ye be weary - Dull and languid, and so actually faint in your course.
A. Clark:
Heb 12:4 -
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood - Many of those already mentioned were
martyrs for the truth; they persevered unto death, and lost their lives in
bearing testimony to the truth. Though you have had opposition and
persecution, yet you have not been called, in bearing your testimony
against sin and sinners, to seal the truth with your blood.
Striving against sin - ???? t?? a?µa?t?a? a?ta???? ??µe???? An allusion to
boxing at the Grecian games. In the former passages the apostle principally
refers to the foot races.
cd: Both these passages is speaking of our Christian state not the Heathen
state. I believe Christ was Tempted but resisted by the same Spirit we
Christians now have-but He was never weak-Why is it so important to the
group to make Him weak David? What justification is there in doing so?
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