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David:Prior to my departure (one hears cheers in
the background) or, the cessation of TT, I'd like to have you lay out your
belief/teaching on this matter so that even such as myself could understand what
is being claimed by yourself and Judy.
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Sent: March 18, 2006 09:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.
The promise is only nonexistent to those steeped in
unbelief and those who are "selective" about what
they will receive from God's Word Lance. God calls
this kind of a person "double-minded" and says
that they will receive nothing from the Lord. (James
1:7,8)
Why do you call the Promise
"nonexistent?"
One can only be appreciative of the
contribution made by yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise and,
thereafter exhibit the opposite in your writing.
Election rather than "justification" is the
subject here JD; why do you seek to change it?
And why is it that you and Lance can not
accept the obvious
The Scots Confession
Written by John Knox and five other "Johns"
(Willock, Winram, Spottiswood, Row and Douglas), in 1560, at the
conclusion of the Scottish civil war in response to medieval catholicism
and at the behest of the Scottish Parliament in five days. Its
central doctrines are those of election and the Church. It was
approved by the Reformation Parliament and Church of Scotland, attaining
full legal status with the departure of Mary, Queen of Scots in
1567.
Yes, and the importance of this conclusion -- It is
Justification by Grace alone that guards the Gospel from corruption by
"Evangel icals," "Liberals," and Romans alike. ---- is lost
to those who think that their think don't stink.
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
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You are quite correct as to your TFT
observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will
not permit an equitable treatment of that which is there in the text
of his article.
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Sent: March 18, 2006
07:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
torrance.
As far as I know, Torrance believed that salvation was offered
to all -- not a Calvinist opinion, my dear.
And you are much more the Calvinist that he.
His comments below gives us a consistent explanation of the
biblical notion that man is justified apart from obedience to the
law. It beats a redactive explanation of same !! that's
for sure.
jd
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He also says this:
But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such
movement when it insisted that we have to
spoil ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as
well as justification. What is "axed" so radically was the
notion of "co-redemption" which in our day has again become so
rampant, not only in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and
Evangelical Protestantism, e.g., the emphasis upon existential decision
as the means whereby we "make
real" for ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the New
Testament, which means that in the last resort our salvation
depends upon our own personal or existential decision.
That is the exact
antithesis of the Reformed doctrine of election, which rests
salvation upon the prior and objective decision of God in Christ.
It is Justification by Grace
alone that guards the Gospel from corruption by "Evangel icals,"
"Liberals," and Romans alike.
So Torrance is also a
Calvinist at heart who is resting in Calvin's "doctrine of
election" in spite of all the big theological words and high
talk...
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 04:43:32 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the recent article posted by Lance from Torrance, the
theologican says this:
"Nowhere is this more apparent than in the case of the
popular minister where everything centers on him, and the whole
life of the congregation is built round him. What is that
but Protestant sacerdotalism, sacerdotalism which involves the
displacement of the Humanity of Christ by the humanity of the
minister, and the obscuring of the Person of Christ by the
personality of the minister?"
amen. We have here a well worded warning to the
mega church industry that the Christ, His very
person, just might be lost to a pattern of worship that denies
opportunities for authenticity and spontaneous
participation by the attendee. It can be argued that such
'worship services" fly in the face of such passages as Eph
5:18,19. There is a bonding and a closeness that
takes place in a small group that is not possible in the mega
assemblies.
jd
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