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Then why do you and JD deny the obvious
Lance?
Just admit that you admire the man and accept what he
says along with the teachings of Calvin
Judy:Why indeed! Because he knew the works of
Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin thoroughly as he was editor
of the 22 volumes of Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is worthwhile.
Why does he clearly quote from what he does
not hold to then Lance?
Wouldn't you call this being doubleminded?
His doctrine is "Reformed" Calvinistic - same thing
I LITERALLY cleaned my glasses, Judy. I took
your interpretation to heart and, you are wrong vis a vis TFT's take on
'election'. I do see how you came to the conclusion you did, however.
Do you understand what you are reading yourself
Lance?
The statement below "Reformed doctrine of
election" is Calvinistic
John Knox who ppl say converted Scotland was
Presbyterian (Calvinistic)
Who pray tell wrote what Torrance calls the
"Scots Confession?"
Also "unprofitable servants" don't make it ...
only the good and "faithful" ones
Clean your eyeglasses Lance and try
again
This is powerfully driven home by the Scots
Confession in several articles, such as the twelfth and the
fifteenth. All that we do is unworthy, so that we must fall
down before you and unfeignedly confess that we are
unprofitable servantsand it is
precisely Justification by the free Grace of Christ alone that shows us
that all that we are and have done even
as believers is called in question.
You are quite correct as to your TFT
observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will
not permit an equitable treatment of that which is there in the text
of his article.
That is the exact antithesis of the Reformed
doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior and
objective decision of God in Christ
As far as I know, Torrance believed that salvation was offered
to all -- not a Calvinist opinion, my dear.
And you are much more the Calvinist that he.
His comments below gives us a consistent explanation of the
biblical notion that man is justified apart from obedience to the
law. It beats a redactive explanation of same !! that's
for sure.
jd
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He also says this:
But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such
movement when it insisted that we have to
spoil ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as
well as justification. What is "axed" so radically was the
notion of "co-redemption" which in our day has again become so
rampant, not only in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and
Evangelical Protestantism, e.g., the emphasis upon existential decision
as the means whereby we "make
real" for ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the New
Testament, which means that in the last resort our salvation
depends upon our own personal or existential decision.
That is the exact
antithesis of the Reformed doctrine of election, which rests
salvation upon the prior and objective decision of God in Christ.
It is Justification by Grace
alone that guards the Gospel from corruption by "Evangel icals,"
"Liberals," and Romans alike.
So Torrance is also a
Calvinist at heart who is resting in Calvin's "doctrine of
election" in spite of all the big theological words and high
talk...
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 04:43:32 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the recent article posted by Lance from Torrance, the
theologican says this:
"Nowhere is this more apparent than in the case of the
popular minister where everything centers on him, and the whole
life of the congregation is built round him. What is that
but Protestant sacerdotalism, sacerdotalism which involves the
displacement of the Humanity of Christ by the humanity of the
minister, and the obscuring of the Person of Christ by the
personality of the minister?"
amen. We have here a well worded warning to the
mega church industry that the Christ, His very
person, just might be lost to a pattern of worship that denies
opportunities for authenticity and spontaneous
participation by the attendee. It can be argued that such
'worship services" fly in the face of such passages as Eph
5:18,19. There is a bonding and a closeness that
takes place in a small group that is not possible in the mega
assemblies.
jd
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