RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:32:28 -0800

You are not required to make up lies about a person  --  the judgment you offer is the judgment you will receive.  Have a nice day.
 
jd
 
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Fine with me; I’m only required to warn you. iz

 

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There is little point in talking with someone who knows me better than I know me.   Such arrogant surmising is the product of the kind of narrowness that I disregard. 

 

jd

 

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Jd, I never said the Jews will be restored Outside of the church; they will be become believers.  You say you don’t dislike Jews more than any other unbelievers.  It is obvious to me that you do.  Your stereotypes and slurs are very revealing.  Izzy

 

Romans 11

Israel Is Not Cast Away

 1I say then, God has not (A)rejected His people, has He? (B)May it never be! For (C)I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

 2God (D)has not rejected His people whom He (E)foreknew (F)Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

 3"Lord, (G)THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."

 4But what is the divine response to him? "(H)I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."

 5In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time (I)a remnant according to God's gracious choice.

 6But (J)if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

 7What then? What (K)Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were (L)hardened;

 8just as it is written,
         "(M)GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
         EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
         DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY."

 9And David says,
         "(N)LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
         AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.
    10"(O)LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
         AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER."

 11(P)I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? (Q)May it never be! But by their transgression (R)salvation has come to the Gentiles, to (S)make them jealous.

 12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their (T)fulfillment be!

 13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as (U)I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

 14if somehow I might (V)move to jealousy (W)my fellow countrymen and (X)save some of them.

 15For if their rejection is the (Y)reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but (Z)life from the dead?

 16If the (AA)first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

 17But if some of the (AB)branches were broken off, and (AC)you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that (AD)it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

 19(AE)You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."

 20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you (AF)stand by your faith (AG)Do not be conceited, but fear;

 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

 22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's (AH)kindness, (AI)if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also (AJ)will be cut off.

 23And they also, (AK)if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

 24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

 25For (AL)I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this (AM)mystery--so that you will not be (AN)wise in your own estimation--that a partial (AO)hardening has happened to Israel until the (AP)fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

 26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
         "(AQ)THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
         HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
     27"(AR)THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
         (AS)WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

 28From the standpoint of the gospel they are (AT)enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for (AU)the sake of the fathers;

 29for the gifts and the (AV)calling of God (AW)are irrevocable.

 30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

 32For (AX)God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

 33Oh, the depth of (AY)the riches both of the (AZ)wisdom and knowledge of God! (BA)How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

 34For (BB)WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

 35Or (BC)WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN?

 36For (BD)from Him and through Him and to Him are all things (BE)To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

 

 

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First ,   I am not a dispensationalist  --  never have been and very likely never will be.   It is an American theological invention.  a man named Darby being its first major proponent,  and Scolfield along with Dallas Theological Seminary being the back bone of its critical acclaim.

 

Secondly,  an unregenerated Jew is no different than an unregenerated Floridian. 

I give no honor to any race of people for the simple reason that such was never the intention of God  --  never.   Jews get no credit from me for the Messiah  --  they rejected Him then, killed him,  came into the church thinking that the Church was to play a role in establishing them as the Kingdom of God upon this earth - and  left the church almost to the man in the years following the fall of their holy city.   There is more blasphemy on Jewish sites than perhaps the sites of any other world religion.  

 

That God is going to reestablish the Jewish people outside the blessings of the Church of Jesus Christ is simply not a biblical conclusion. 

 

And the main point , for me, that you skim over, is the fact that I do not hate the Jew.   Israel was created by agreements of the young United Nations.  Their new land was nothing like what it is today.   And the hatred of Palestinians goes beyond that which is reasonable or even human, at times.   The surrounding Muslim/Arab world's determination to destroy Isreal without the possibility of compromise is disgustingly stupid to me   Where, at one time,  I had some regard for the Muslim religion  ,  today, I have none.   I think it is violent at its core,  a faith built upon a hatred for all who are not Muslim.  

 

But I have little regard for Judaism, as well.   A very materialistic people,   fully antagonistic to the Living Christ in terms of matters of faith and practice.     Biblically speaking,  Judaism reached full term in Jesus Christ.   It is not a sister religion.  Where some consider the Old Testament as the history of the Jewish people,   I really view it as the history of the Church.    God's chosen are to be found within the body of Christ. 

 

jd

 

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Jd, there are not yet many Jews who know their Messiah, as you know.  Soon there will be.  What bewilders me is why you rarely miss a chance to take a shot at Jews, yet not the mormons or the RCC who are true apostates.  They claim to serve Jesus and yet are anti-Christs preaching a different Jesus and a different gospel.  The Jews at least are honest about their stance on Jesus.  I have a special place in my heart for Jews because my Savior is a Jew, because the Father says they are His chosen people, and because one day Jesus will again restore Israel into His kingdom.  Why doesn’t that have any meaning for you? izzy

 

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Here is what I said, Linda.:  "Do you know of any orthodox Jews who do not deny the Christ?  And why does that not have any meaning to you?    I will give my money to the needy, thank you very much.  "  There in not one hateful word in that comment  --  not one. 

 

You can choose to continue to run your mouth or maybe, just maybe,  you can stop with your dedicated effort to make me look as bad as possible and actually answer the above question.  

 

I am for US aid to Israel.   I am not for spending one penny from church coffers.  but go ahead and blast the RCC or those on this forum who are dedicated followers of Christ and kiss up to those who deny the Lord you claim to serve. 

I expect such conduct from you. 

 

jd

 

 

 

 

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