on 7/27/2000 12:36 AM, "Jason van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is the type of process Dave and I have been talking about, but
> the primary goal we decided on was ease of use. This is for people
> not familiar with CVS, for people who haven't configured tomcat,
> before, and for people who have never used Turbine.
>
> What you outline is definitely how we'd like to build the TDK, but
> I don't think each individual should have to do this in order to
> get the TDK to work. I don't think it's critical that all the
> jars are completely up to date. I think it should be dead simple
> for someone to get an example turbine app up and running in a
> few minutes. Downloading a big file (a zip, or tgz), extracting
> it and having it work immediately.
>
> People more adept at using dev tools can do the checkouts and
> build the TDK themselves, but to attract as many people as
> possible I think we should provide a self contained TDK
> as a download that can be used all on it's own.
We should do TDK _releases_. That solves what you are talking about. People
will feel a lot more comfortable downloading a TDK release. No need to check
things out from CVS.
> Yes, and this is what we would distribute somewhere.
Right.
> For adept developers there would be no limitations, but the TDK
> we distribute as a self contained package would have fixed versions.
> Once people are comfortable with the way things work, they can
> move on to building the TDK themselves.
Right.
> Again, I think that's a bit much for a beginner. I'd like to package
> up the whole shooting match. It might be big, but it will be
> guaranteed to work because Dave and I will (and whoever else want
> to help!) make sure that there is a functioning app that
> is demonstrable.
>
> I just want to show people that it works. Then when they
> realize the obvious: that Turbine is the only way to go
> they can do what they please with the TDK build.xml file.
>
> Dave and I were even thinking about provide a big fat
> WAR file that could be used as a precursor to the TDK.
> For people who have a servlet container already, but
> want to see Turbine in action. A total no-brainer,
> something easy that will spark immediate interest.
> They see that it works, then they take the time to
> move on to the TDK, then eventually building the
> TDK themselves. Easy, easy, easy is the goal.
You aren't seeing the difference between building the TDK and distributing
the TDK. The distributed version will have everything done for you. The CVS
version has nothing done for you.
-jon
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