On 1/21/07, Paul Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's auto admin system is great, particularly
> because it is configurable.
IMO this is the only place where django beats TG, although I really
don't like the idea of having the model objects define the strings for
the GUI.

> The problem I found with Django was that if
> you wanted to do something that doesn't quite fit its approach, you're
> back to doing things the long-hand way.
*cough* Ruby on Rails *cough*

> It doesn't have the whole
> widgets/validators system that TG has, although they are working on this
> with "newforms".
I think TW will be better for this.

> The Django controller is more flexible, being based on
> regular expressions, but I find CherryPy's syntax is preferable for my
> work. So, all things considered, I decided to use TG and my decision is
> reinforced the more I learn.
you can get something similar in TG with a little magic
http://routes.groovie.org/ and
http://docs.cherrypy.org/writing-your-own-dispatcher

> Many people (including Guido) have commented that it would be great to
> combine the efforts of the projects, to produce one "hyper framework".
> I'd say in the short term, merging TG and Pylons is a more likely
> prospect, but perhaps Django could be brought closer.
yes I'll like that too many people doing the same thing is a waste of time.

> I believe
> ToscaWidgets already contains pretty much all the functionality of the
> Django "widgets" in newforms. If Django started using TW, we would have
> the beginnings of a meeting of minds. Fastdata2 could then be modelled
> after (or even replaced by) Django's auto-admin system.
maybe when django finish their port to SA if they keep some
abstraction the auto-admin stuff could be ported.

> All the project
> already seem to be moving towards SQLAlchemy as the ORM. The controller
> is a harder one to merge - the regex/expose mechanisms will just suit
> different people.

I for ones don't like it, regex are good for somethings IMO this is
not one of them.

> But perhaps the controller will become as pluggable as
this is one of the things all the WSGI goodness is supposed to solve.

> the template engine currently is. If all this happened, Django would
> effectively just be TG, using a particular choice of controller and
> templating engine.
>
> Frameworks are becoming more like distributions every day...
well I love that :) my biggest problem with ALL frameworks is that
sometimes it's harder to get around it then just doing what you need,
TG is very good at not getting on your way.

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