So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1
multi-million dollar installs.  But for ease of use and the ability to
tweak the system to meet your needs.  I'll take the tier 2 any day.  

Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do
that the smaller Epicor products can't do?  What makes them worth the
added cost?  I don't' buy into that they can handle more users.  That is
mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure.
You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their
intensions are.  What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD
Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or
similar smaller priced package?  I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell
checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) 

P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other
high end audio stores near you!  You can't seriously expect me to send
you something for free!  I can't get stuff for free.  

Jeffrey Lettau
ERP Systems Manager
polkaudio

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Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was
sold back out again

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I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000.  Polk audio, in
addition
to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user.  Now if I could just
get
them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug..... ;-)

When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several
companies
that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor.

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X-Squeeze me

But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot
T-ball
player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league

Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that
its
playing with the big boys...

--
Debster

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> There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend
to
> lay low unless the discussion effects them directly.
> I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group
> that are very good with the interfaces to U2.
> From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for
> support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will
> always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these
> bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the
software
> slightly different.
> I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have
and
> migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database
> independent. Although making it database independent may be counter
> productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages.
>
> If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor
> is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the
> flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are
> your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP?
> They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other
packages
> together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you
> run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2.
> They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion,
> but it will take them years to make it work.
>
> Jeffrey Lettau
> ERP Systems Manager
> polkaudio
>
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>
> Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone
> within
> Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest
in
> U2
> which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have
> knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or
doesn't
> with U2 in
> general.
>
> Will Johnson
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