Yes, I also like U2. It has interesting historical associations, for those of us of a certain age. It was a "U2" spy-plane that was shot down by a "rocket" over the USSR in 1960 that led to quite a frosty first meeting between Khruschev and Kennedy in Geneva that year.
Which leads me to ask if anyone knows whether any U2 (DB's of course) installations exist in Russia or in any of the former Soviet Republics? Dominic Baron. -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, 12 October 2009 08:00 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of U2-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (Tony Gravagno) 2. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (Charlie Noah) 3. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (BraDav) 4. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (Ed Clark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:07:19 -0700 From: "Tony Gravagno" <3xk547...@sneakemail.com> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Message-ID: <18623-75...@sneakemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: BraDav > Actually, I like U2. It short, to the point, and easy > to remember. And it's got a popular association. > However, if there is a name change, it would have to > be a great alternative. I don't see anything wrong with maintaining the U2 brand as-is. One could say there is no U2 brand, so no need for an alternative. There will certainly be some disagreement but I think technically there is no such thing as "U2". This was a term that was only coined when the Universe and Unidata products, very different and former rivals, were brought under common management. While there are many add-ons that work similarly for both platforms, these products haven't really evolved into a single platform, and I don't expect they will. So rather than changing a name from U2, and perpetuating a common reference for disparate products, the new owners may decide to position these products as completely separate offerings. On the other side of this, "U2" isn't just a popular association, it's a marketing mechanism that allows the two platforms to benefit from one another, creating a perceived common user base which is Much larger than either of them. U2 only carries weight as a brand within the MV market, so changing the name may be a large and unjustifiable expense. The names U2, Universe, and Unidata equally mean nothing to the mainstream relationally-oriented market, so changing the names of any of these products seems equally unwarranted for that audience as well. Given these dynamics, I don't think we'll see any name changes. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com NEW: Follow TonyGravagno on Twitter remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:35:48 -0500 From: Charlie Noah <cwn...@comcast.net> To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Message-ID: <4ad1fb54.9050...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Now, Rob, wait a minute... also having over 30 years experience in the MV world, I have watched the "progression" from LP to tape to CD to digital (iPod, etc.), the real advances from kilobytes of memory to gigabytes, from megabytes of disk to terabytes, and from kilohertz of CPU speed to gigahertz. Audiophiles are discovered what I have always believed: the richness of sound of the old vinyl LP can't be matched by today's digital music, and the LP is enjoying a much deserved return to glory. I'm glad I didn't get rid of my vinyl collection, although, like me, it is showing its age. I wish Rocket all the best. I hope they understand what they really have. Although I work with Jbase now, I have spent many enjoyable years working with both Universe and Unidata, and they, like all the other MV environments I've worked with, make our jobs easy and fun. I've tried other environments over the years, and have always concluded that I already had the best the computer world had to offer, so why should I use something else not nearly as powerful? It may have been around for many years, but it's ability to adapt to and work with the most modern of technologies keeps it fresh, flexible and strong. I just wish the rest of the world could see it. Best Regards, Charlie Noah On 10/9/2009 8:24 AM, Smith, Robert wrote: > At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the "old = undesirable" > mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate > the imagery that "old" things can evoke. As a technician with over > thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have > witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What > we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has > taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to > achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once > our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and > pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to > use "Rocket" as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought > in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should > seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt > of many a jokes. > > My two cents > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 > > > IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space > centre? > All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the > control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right > along side Sputnik et al. > > Jacques G. wrote: > >> I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name "Rocket" ? To me it >> invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when >> cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey >> player nicknamed "Maurice The Rocket Richard" and people watched >> "Flash Gordon" on a black and white television. >> >> When I hear Rocket I think "retro" like a LP Player, a typewriter, a >> PDP-1. >> >> Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? >> >> Sci-fi hasn't used the term "Rocketship" in decades. >> >> >> Jacques >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:27:24 -0400 From: "BraDav" <broadri...@comcast.net> To: "U2 Users List" <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Message-ID: <14cc6a8de7fb40d0aef0a50dcea64...@braddavispc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Charlie, I agree with you overall that U2 (Unidata and Universe) is the best there is for development and maintaining applications. The data model stands head and shoulders above the rest, when it comes to RAD. However, there could be many improvements to the dbs, above and "below the hood" so to speak. That being said, one of the benefits of the U2 architecture is that it "can" be improved. For example, I maintained a file with 80 million records, at one site. It has virtually no overflow and the record distribution was nearly perfect. Access to the file was very fast, but we couldn't create indexes on it, because the indexes ran out of space. That's just one example, but the list is long. However, that's a positive. With the right amount of R&D, U2 is positioned for another 20 year run. thanks, Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Noah" <cwn...@comcast.net> To: "U2 Users List" <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 > Now, Rob, wait a minute... also having over 30 years experience in the > MV > world, I have watched the "progression" from LP to tape to CD to digital > (iPod, etc.), the real advances from kilobytes of memory to gigabytes, > from megabytes of disk to terabytes, and from kilohertz of CPU speed to > gigahertz. Audiophiles are discovered what I have always believed: the > richness of sound of the old vinyl LP can't be matched by today's digital > music, and the LP is enjoying a much deserved return to glory. I'm glad I > didn't get rid of my vinyl collection, although, like me, it is showing > its age. > > I wish Rocket all the best. I hope they understand what they really > have. > Although I work with Jbase now, I have spent many enjoyable years working > with both Universe and Unidata, and they, like all the other MV > environments I've worked with, make our jobs easy and fun. I've tried > other environments over the years, and have always concluded that I > already had the best the computer world had to offer, so why should I use > something else not nearly as powerful? It may have been around for many > years, but it's ability to adapt to and work with the most modern of > technologies keeps it fresh, flexible and strong. I just wish the rest of > the world could see it. > > Best Regards, > Charlie Noah > > On 10/9/2009 8:24 AM, Smith, Robert wrote: >> At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the "old = >> undesirable" >> mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the >> imagery that "old" things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty >> years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed >> since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely >> lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to >> progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more >> phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were >> expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone >> with a sense of history and a determination to use "Rocket" as a means to >> evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they >> were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its >> name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. >> >> My two cents >> Rob >> -----Original Message----- >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM >> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 >> >> >> IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space >> centre? >> All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the >> control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there >> right >> along side Sputnik et al. >> >> Jacques G. wrote: >> >>> I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name "Rocket" ? To me >>> it >>> invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch >>> when >>> cars >>> designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player >>> nicknamed "Maurice The Rocket Richard" and people watched "Flash Gordon" >>> on a black and white television. >>> >>> When I hear Rocket I think "retro" like a LP Player, a typewriter, >>> a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of >>> the art ? >>> >>> Sci-fi hasn't used the term "Rocketship" in decades. >>> >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:03:13 -0400 From: Ed Clark <u...@edclark.net> To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Message-ID: <4ad21de1.1000...@edclark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Not only was the U2 name coined when "Universe and Unidata products, very different and former rivals, were brought under common management." as Tony says, but I think it was coined by the users on this list, concerned that the new company Ardent was more interested in promoting their O2 object-oriented database than the universe/unidata products. O2 evaporated, but U2 remained, and the name has stuck through the products' obscurity within Informix and Ibm. Maybe it's time to shed this "slave name". What Rocket bought is really 3 different products: Universe and Unidata, which don't have that much in common beyond the multivalue data model (and are as different from each other as they are different from the other multivalued databases, qm, d3, reality, jbase, mvbase, revelation, and cache. Besides ownership, the biggest thing universe and unidata have in common is this u2 users geoup), and a set of client utilities that work as front ends to universe and unidata. I guess you could also count SB+ as a fourth product, because (correct me if I'm wrong) this still works with some other databases besides universe and unidata. "Tony Gravagno wrote: >> From: BraDav >> Actually, I like U2. It short, to the point, and easy >> to remember. And it's got a popular association. >> However, if there is a name change, it would have to >> be a great alternative. >> > > I don't see anything wrong with maintaining the U2 brand as-is. One > could say there is no U2 brand, so no need for an alternative. > > There will certainly be some disagreement but I think technically > there is no such thing as "U2". This was a term that was only coined > when the Universe and Unidata products, very different and former > rivals, were brought under common management. While there are many > add-ons that work similarly for both platforms, these products haven't > really evolved into a single platform, and I don't expect they will. > So rather than changing a name from U2, and perpetuating a common > reference for disparate products, the new owners may decide to > position these products as completely separate offerings. > > On the other side of this, "U2" isn't just a popular association, it's > a marketing mechanism that allows the two platforms to benefit from > one another, creating a perceived common user base which is Much > larger than either of them. U2 only carries weight as a brand within > the MV market, so changing the name may be a large and unjustifiable > expense. The names U2, Universe, and Unidata equally mean nothing to > the mainstream relationally-oriented market, so changing the names of > any of these products seems equally unwarranted for that audience as > well. > > Given these dynamics, I don't think we'll see any name changes. > > > Tony Gravagno > Nebula Research and Development > TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com > NEW: Follow TonyGravagno on Twitter remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog > Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users End of U2-Users Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 ************************************** The information contained in this communication (including any attachment) is confidential. 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