Ross,
[Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a step that has value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect practical considerations. My experience of UML is that it is a method for separating projects from common sense and practical results.


- Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch

Ross Ferris wrote:

Stuart,

I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" that we should incorporate into Vis�ge (which is already a cool development environment for U2)

At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the economic drivers)

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development




-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Stuart Boydell
Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Eclipse



Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ?


Hi Ross,
I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the
IDE.
It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in
for it for U2.

For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a
development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is
adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source
version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better).

It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source community.
You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or
tools
you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work has
been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse
shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be able
to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the
database
& code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe.

So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java,
Rational
or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested in
it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2.

I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and
their
views on its aplicability to the U2 environment.

Cheers,
Stuart










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