Ross, That sounds like an interesting project !
I agree with you over the commercial aspect. The only way it could be done reasonably would be as an open source project - and frankly I doubt it would get the contributors. I can see how using UML to model a new system could work, so long as you restricted the design to include only those elements that can be sensibly handled by the UML. But what about that dreaded 'legacy' element for which there is no formal notation: for example, Q pointers, select lists, single and multiple level data files, USING clauses and global dictionaries, horrible hetrogenous values generated from SB+: not to mention the obvious virtual fields... I would think that representing an existing system could be a nightmare. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris > Sent: 07 March 2004 10:04 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: Eclipse > > UML can be used for this, though it's been around 5 years > since we have done anything serious. > > At the time we were a Rational Rose Partner, and were > following the work of "BoldSoft", who had developed a round > trip model driven development environment that generated > applications in Delphi. We had developed an SQL Schema > generator as a plug-in, but had an MV version as well (which > was never commercially sold) > > Suffice to say that Rational came out with there own inbuilt > schema generator, and BoldSoft was acquired by Delphi. > > Anyway, Rose was "nice" because at the end of the day you > could save/load a UML document as an "ordinary" (structured) > text file, which was easy to read, generate & process on the > "pick" side of the equation. > > I haven't looked at Rose in recent years, but I would imagine > that there is now an XML output option, and support for XML > Data Structures, which map quite nicely to mv Data. > > But somehow I don't think that any money spent on a code > generation module out the back end of Rose is going to see a return > > > > Ross Ferris > Stamina Software > Visage - an Evolution in Software Development > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Brian Leach > >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 8:42 PM > >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: Eclipse > > > > > >Chuck > > > >- Flame, flame, flame ! > > > ><grin> > > > >UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of > >representing MV constructs. > >And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the > >only person who finds that notation irritating? It looks > pre-schoolish > >- and anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout > at it and > >it rarely shouts back). > > > >Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems > >that the rest of the world could recognize. > >In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining > MV systems - > >period. > > > >I know there are products that do it (including our own!) > but I want a > >method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us > more seriously. > > > > > >Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Results > >> Sent: 05 March 2004 01:29 > >> To: U2 Users Discussion List > >> Subject: Re: Eclipse > >> > >> Ross, > >> [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a > step that > >> has value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect > >> practical considerations. My experience of UML is that it > is a method > >> for separating projects from common sense and practical results. > >> > >> - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch > >> > >> Ross Ferris wrote: > >> > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > __________ > >_ This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar > >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > > > >DISCLAIMER > > > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be > >privileged. > > > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender > >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other > person, use > >it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. > > > >In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please > >contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk > >-- > >u2-users mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > > -- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering > Microgen. ________________________________________________________________________ This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. 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