Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do! Moderator Stopped this Thread!
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:45 AM > To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Joe, GET A LIFE. > > We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, > so long as > we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, > if required. > I guarantee I could write a proggie to do just about > anything, interface > with anything, natively "bond" with any database... With > Pick-style > products. > > Yes, Oracle can do things fast - only it takes yonks to > develop, has to > live within limitations, costs a bomb, requires big process > power. > > Hell, even AS400 can do things, that's why they were built. > > It's just that mine can do ANY thing, no limitations, very > little > processing power (R83 on a single 286), costs? What costs? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Joe Eugene > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:27 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > > > We have UV doing everything on the BackEnd, we also have > MSSQL Server to > Support Data Warehousing... Why 2 Databases Systems? > Cause UV Cant support Data Warehousing? > Doesn't this eventually introduce Disparate Systems? > > > U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, > and I believe > > > they either have or are working on Web Services support > > Its funny you say the above, UV/PICK Guys in our Team didn't > even > understand the basics of XML.. leave alone XPath, XQuery > etc. These > Technologies are NATIVELY Supported in ORACLE/DB2 Etc. > > e.g. We pull XML Reports from our Vendors Real Time. I have > to parse > through the XML and give UV/PICK Guys a FLAT TEXT File... > cause either > UV Cannot handle the storage and Retrival of XML Data Using > XPath/XQuery > Techniques. > > Yes, we use DataStage to pull data out of UV Into MSSQL > SERVER... For > what? Why cant UV handle of the DB Job? > > As for Performance...UV Does NOT Perform Well in a OLTP > Environment, > SIMPLE: > IF UV did Perform Well...Today's Fortune 500 would depend on > UV and > UV/PICK would have been in the TOP 3 OF DataBases. > > Joe Eugene > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > Behalf Of David T. Meeks > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM > > To: U2 Users Discussion List > > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > > > While one could make the argument that Pick has not > embraced emerging > > technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done > so. > > > > U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, > and I believe > > > they either have or are working on Web Services support (I > know, for > example, > > that > > the DSEngine in DataStage has support for Web Services). > > > > One could argue the need or purpose of supporting certain > technologies, > > and > > the level of support currently within the products, but to > say that > there > > is > > "little/no" support is a bit uninformed. > > > > The U2 products ARE supported in certain "Integration" > software. I > > wouldn't typically consider SAP/PeopleSoft "integration" > software. > > They are Enterprise > > Software Suites, but not geared particularly at > 'integration'. > > > > However, given that SAP and PeopleSoft OEM the DataStage > product sets > > for both of their "integration" products (SAP's BW, > PeopleSoft's EPM, > > JDEdwards stuff as well), and given DataStage works very > well with > both U2 > > products, this point is actually wrong. People who have > SAP or > PeopleSoft > > solutions CAN, very easily, integrate their U2 data > to/from those > > environments. > > > > As to 'efficiency', one can measure that in a variety of > different > > dimensions. From a memory/disk > space/footprint/administrative > > overhead > dimensions, > > the > > U2 database products are VERY efficient. > > > > Finally, as to being "slow", again this depends on the > measurement > > criteria being used. From the perspective of concurrent > user access > > and the performance > > of application style DB usage (largely input/output, > multiple > concurrent > > users, etc..), > > the U2 products stand up very well to the mainstream guys. > For > support of > > VLDB, > > highly transactional query-based usage models, and the > like, it does > not. > > > > Trying to make the U2 products into what they are not is > wrong. They > are > > not the > > panacea for every database requirement. However, for > certain > problems, > > especially > > those for which it was designed (embedded database for > application > > development), it is very efficient. > > > > Dave > > > > At 10:24 PM 3/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of > advanced level > > > >computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to > Legacy > DB2 > > >that used ISAM type of DataBases Access. Even IBM has > moved DB2 (Now > UDB) > > >to a completly relational architecture. > > > > > >I belive some of the below are good reasons to Migrate to > MainStream > > >(Top 3 - DB2/Oracle/MSSQL etc) Databases. > > > > > >1. UV has Little/NO support for Emerging > Technologies(XML/XQuery/XSLT/WML > > etc) > > >2. UV is Not supported in Most Integration Enterprise > Software > > >(SAP/PeopleSoft) > > >3. UV is Not efficient compared to highly evolved > databases(DB2/Oracle) > > >4. UV Folks seem to use PICK, which is Not Compatible > with many of > > > of the Current Advanced Technologies and Techniques. > > >5. UV is very SLOW, TOO Procedural and Not the right tool > for > > > an OLTP Environment. > > > > > >It would be nice if IBM provided a Package to convert all > UV Stuff to > > > >IBM DB2 and perhaps provide some kinda code converter to > convert all > > >pick stuff to DB2 Stored Procs or Java Native Compiled > Procedures. > > >I belive this would be ideal and would help corportations > intergrate > > >systems easily. > > > > > >Joe Eugene > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil > Walker > > >Sent: Sun 3/28/2004 7:59 PM > > >To: U2 Users Discussion List > > >Subject: RE: The lists are closing > > > > > > > > > > > >David, > > > > > >As the list is closing this is probably not off topic - > so I will > > comment. > > > > > >I believe PICK has been around since the mid to late > 1960's, whereas > > Oracle > > >and the SQL relation model has been around only since the > mid to late > > 1970's > > >early 1980's if you are talking about Oracle etc. > > > > > >I may be wrong. > > > > > >Phil Walker > > >+64 21 336294 > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >infocusp limited > > >\\ PO Box 77032, Auckland New Zealand \ > www.infocusp.co.nz > > >DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any > attachments is > > > >confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do > not copy, > > disclose > > >or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by > return > e-mail > > that > > >you have received the message and then please destroy. > infocusp > limited > > is > > >not responsible for any changes made to this message and > / or any > > >attachments after sending by infocusp limited. We use > virus scanning > > >software but exclude all liability for viruses or > anything similar in > > this > > >email or any attachment > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Behalf Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) > > >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM > > >To: U2 Users Discussion List > > >Subject: RE: The lists are closing > > > > > >Best of luck Jeff, however I will point out the obvious, > what is your > > > >definition of modern? I would have thought the good old > "relational > > >databases" have been around since before pick anyway? 8-) > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >David Logan > > >Database Administrator > > >HP Managed Services > > >139 Frome Street, > > >Adelaide 5000 > > >Australia > > > > > >+61 8 8408 4273 > > >+61 417 268 665 > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie > > >Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 8:03 AM > > >To: U2 Users Discussion List > > >Subject: RE: The lists are closing > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the memories Cliff :) > > > > > >Sorry to hear the lists are closing, but what the heck > time and tide, > > > >work committments etc. > > > > > >As some one who is shortly to be ex mv, and moving into > the more > modern > > >technologies l will decline the offer to join, but wish > the site all > the > > >best. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Jeff > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Moderator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 7:14 PM > > >To: U2 Users Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: The lists are closing > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends: > > > > > >After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the > info-prime, > > >info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc > lists, I > have > > >decided to shut down the list server. > > > > > >u2-users and u2-community will cease to exist as of 1 > April 2004. IBM > is > > > > > >officially supporting the efforts of the new U2UG.org > group. (Yes. I > am > > >a member of the establishing Board of that group. So this > is not a > > >"coup" or Sour Grapes!) If you check out the forums that > have been > set > > >up, I think you will will see that they cover everything > anyone has > > >asked for over the years in this group. > > > > > >I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come over the > the > > >www.u2ug.org site and support this effort. This is > *exactly* what > many > > >of you on this list have wanted over the years. If Not > Now, When? > > > > > >Almost ten years on my Watch. How many years before that > on Mike > > >O'Rear's Watch? In the Net World, this has been a Hell of > a good run. > (I > > > > > >just couldn't resist tripping the Net Nanny filters one > last time > <very > > >evil grin>) > > > > > >I'll see all of you on the other media, ok? > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Clif > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >W. Clifton Oliver, CCP > > >CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES > > >Tel: +1 619 460 5678 Web: www.oliver.com > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >-- > > >u2-users mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >-- > > >u2-users mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >-- > > >u2-users mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > > > > > >-- > > >u2-users mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >u2-users mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > > ============================================================ > ============ > > David T. 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