Oh, my. When I misread a situation, I do a bang up job of it, don't I? It was never my intent to throw the community into such an uproar. I still intend to quit being the list host and moderator. But it appears that not only is U2UG not sure how/if/when they could take on the load, but I didn't know there would be such resistance.
I will keep the lists running as they are through the end of the month of April. I want to give U2UG and any other parties interesting in continuing this more time to figure out if/how/when. That should take some of the pressure off. *HOWEVER*, I am going to stick to the time commitments I have made to myself and my other projects, so I will not be actively moderating the list posts. It is up to all of you to try to regain your decorum. Dana did a great job in this post (what a job as my ghostwriter? :-). So I will embed commentary below. > 1. The U2 lists have been run by Clif Oliver for a very long time. Clif > has > no direct ties to IBM or any of the companies who owned the U2 products > before hand. That is correct. IBM is one of my clients. So was Vmark/Ascential/Informix, Prime Computer, ADDS, and other manufacturers. But I am not an employee, receive no funding from IBM for this list, no official sponsorship, etc. Heck, last time I asked, I couldn't even get them to give me an IBM shirt for my collection. Something about consultants and the Legal Department <grin>. > 3. Clif's decision to stop running the lists is his own. It was not a > decision of U2UG or IBM - it was Clif's decision; a decision that is well > within his rights (see #2 above). Also correct. I'll share some of those reasons later. But U2UG had no part in this decision. I didn't consult them, and I certainly did not ask for their approval. This is my own choice. > > 4. One reason Clif decided to stop running the lists is that U2UG is > moving > toward filling the same need. Clif was looking at duplicate work coming > along and decided that this was a good time to get out (if I read Clif's > intentions correctly). You read my intentions exactly correct. For a variety of reasons, I have been contemplating shutting down for a couple of years. It was just that U2UG was formed, they had official IBM recognition (NOT ownership or control), and when the site went live, there were parallel forums that duplicated everything the list tried to provide. So I thought the time was here that I could bow out of this particular role without feeling like I was abandoning the U2 Community. Just make an announcement and let everyone shift over to a group and method already setting there, idling, waiting for users. I don't need to recap what has happened since I hit the [Send] button on that message. > 7. As Clif is pulling out of running the lists, the fora become the only > game in town. But this is not the end of the world. There exists the > possibility that mail lists can continue with someone else running them. Hopefully by providing the lists through April, I've relieved the pressure on this situation. > > 8. The MAJOR topic of discussion at tomorrow's U2UG board meeting will be > the future of U2 communication technology. Clif is expected to be present > at > the meeting and will probably be willing to share his accumulated wisdom > in > this area, provided we don't provoke him too much in our ongoing > discussions > of the past, present and future of communication in the U2 community. I'll be there. Now let me add some additional points. There has been some misunderstanding about U2UG's role in this, even with the Board. U2UG is not the "rightful heir" to the lists. *IF* they, or another party, want to take up the hosting of the list it will be with a clear statement and ongoing commitment that the contents of the list are free of any intellectual property restrictions. What gets posted to the list is free (as in freedom) for anyone to use as they see fit. They must also commit to providing this list, or alternative to it, for free (as in beer), that is, no charge. (Yes, I favor the BSD license over the GPL--how did you guess?) In addition, I will give a two week notice on the list if a new "someone" is going to host it. That will give everyone who does not want to participate a chance to unsubscribe. That way their address will not be in the transfered database. I hope that clears up that discussion, as far as privacy and ip issues are concerned. Some of the reasons I am bowing out of this role: 1. I've been doing it for what 8, 10 years? It has been so long, I forget. I simply want to spend the time working on some other things. I don't have enough time to do both. And I strongly feel that if you are going to host and moderate a list, you must take it seriously, and put your very best work into it. I'd like to spend that time pusuing other interests. 2. E-mail has gotten onerous. Behind the scenes, I spend from 1/2 an hour to a couple of hours per day dealing with bounce messages, misdirected messages, virus issues, etc. Over the last two years the virus problems have, well, I don't have to tell you folks. List servers, if done properly, require *constant* monitoring, care, and feeding. And you have to monitor the content. 3. Content. Ah, yes. I really do appreciate all the nice comments you folks have made, both on list and in private. I makes me feel very good to know most of you think I've been able to guide the content appropriately. Still, I've been nagging for so long, I'm just tired of doing it. I don't enjoy calling people down (cyberspankings) for name calling, off topics posts, overquoting, and the like. When I ease up, things degrade again. I'll pitch a fit on-line (a cybertizzy) and things will be fine for a while. But it always reverts. It is time for someone else to take over and, to use the Open Source phrase, "herd the cats." 4. Thanks for the private messages expressing concern. a) This is not a financial issue. Thanks for the offers of contributions. But it isn't necessary, or even a factor. b) Nope. No one finally "got to me." There was no final straw. I've been contemplating this for a while. 5. No. I'm not going away. In anti-Nixon fashion, yes, you will have Clif Oliver to kick around some more. (That's a *joke* for those of you lucky devils young enough to not get the reference.) I intend to shift my focus to the role of content contributor. I am also planning on reviving my column (Infocus Magazine's "Clif Notes"), probably under a different title, as part of a regular newsletter. And there are a couple of other writing projects in the works. (But you didn't hear that from me ;-) I hope that clarifies the situation. We will get this worked out. -- Regards, Clif ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. 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