I get the impression you're not aware of how much product UBNT sells,
and how much money they actually spend...
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
On 12/02/2014 07:52 AM, Daniel Peoples wrote:
Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does.
/Daniel Peoples/
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to
move over.
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*From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold
or a great big poo stain.
If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that
initial spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or
two. It will eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just
isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to support a tool like this.
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but
they have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to
5 times as much so they can support these tools.
If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely
mature into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and
something that actually on the billing side approaches a real
billing software and CPE management system.
All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for
billing, the two programs both do exactly what I want from them,
and that is ALL I want them to do. If ubnt makes a product that
does both functions and is around the same price or even higher
per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and management.
As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have more
vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where
the internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the
internet so that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your
azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box
and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to
route the information through the hardware.
BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1
exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly
hope to learn how you tie all of that stuff together to make the
solid picture that I do when I look at all of the stuff together.
I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do
it right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it
right, the adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong.
/Daniel Peoples/
Resonance Broadband
/Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
918-429-3620
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just
a bunch of
hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and
having the
proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we
have been
told that Air Control is being active developed, we have
programmers
working on it, etc.
I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t
for the few
piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare
upgrading firmware,
and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could
have spent
countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party
tools, but
I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at
one point. I
can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has
anyone at
UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading
firmware, making
changes, monitoring, etc.
It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we
were spending
20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin,
marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent
less time
monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put
on more
customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not
to mention
the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who
would PAY for a
working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor
means saving
money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like
Observium and
Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money
if it meant I
had less hassle.
Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is
such a bad
idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I
installed
the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it
worked my
client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an
integrated solution.
Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw
it out there.
I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the boat UBNT.
Justin
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