Jab has an old version of Powercode Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 2, 2014 11:25 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
> What do companies like Jab and Wisper use? > > > Josh Reynolds wrote: > > As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off > > of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be > > designed. > > > > Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, > > whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of > > devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database their is a > > /int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str > > pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be "snmp, ssh, agent" and > > pollTemplate could be "ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik", etc. > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > > spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of > >> equipment out there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, > >> Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that > >> would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs* > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com> > >> *To: *"ubnt users" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> Via Adam? > >> > >> Not likely. > >> > >> I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and > >> standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle > >> though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating > >> initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device > >> itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe, it's been > >> awhile since I've looked into this). > >> > >> I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and > >> everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things > >> like that. > >> > >> Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is > >> often jumbled from device to device and version to version-- but it's > >> mostly the same. > >> > >> Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up > >> x devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for > >> organizing CPEs per AP MAC. > >> > >> Scheduling would be nice eventually. > >> > >> This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than > >> this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99. > >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer > >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com > >> On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> > >> Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls > >> OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It > >> supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push system > >> into it. > >> > >> It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push > >> commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file > >> format for the pulling and setup a method to push configurations > >> back out? > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com> > >> *To: *"ubnt users" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party > solution > >> > >> this sucks > >> > >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer > >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com > >> > >> On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > >> > >> And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted > >> thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to want, > >> that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement for airControl. > >> > >> Just make something that the basic functions work on (with > >> all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us > >> would be perfectly happy... I don't even care about stuff > >> like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware upgrades, > >> make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't > >> have to be all that complicated. > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org > >> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett > >> [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM > >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> With airCRM, airControl is dead. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> > >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the > >> hardware they sell and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of > >> Beta before the Cubs win the World Series. > >> > >> Rory > >> > >> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org > >> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew > >> Howard > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM > >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for > >> some reason think the billing stuff needs to be kept on their > >> servers where it's safe from our meddling, I'd be perfectly > >> happy if they just cut it all out and let us have the useful > >> part. > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org > >> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett > >> [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM > >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I > >> believe they already said), they don't have to remove > >> billing. Keep it there for all I care, just let me install it > >> locally. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mat...@litewire.net> > >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to > >> just remove the billing parts and let us have the rest to run > >> on our own servers... > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org > >> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett > >> [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM > >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing > >> on-net server and just not use the billing aspect. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Kees H" <wi...@calbroadband.com> > >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> > >> > >> Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as > >> advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow me to load > >> it on my server. That is all I ask for. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> *From:*Daniel Peoples <mailto:dpe...@gmail.com> > >> > >> *To:*Ubiquiti Users Group <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> > >> *Sent:*Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM > >> > >> *Subject:*Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's > >> what my wife tells me). > >> > >> What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, > >> and objectively judge the final product. They might > >> accidentally get it right. At worst, when it comes out of > >> beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks > >> do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be > >> depreciated and the team that makes it will be re-assigned. > >> Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that > >> it won't be any more insecure than any other solution, > >> just because it is a "cloud" based offering. > >> > >> Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as > >> "cambium could do it better", to which I was just saying > >> YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional financial > >> assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it. > >> > >> > >> /Daniel Peoples/ > >> Resonance Broadband > >> > >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > >> 918-429-3620 > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett > >> <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > >> <mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > >> > >> You've completely lost me. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <dpe...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:dpe...@gmail.com>> > >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM > >> > >> > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. > >> > >> And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? > >> > >> > >> /Daniel Peoples/ > >> Resonance Broadband > >> > >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > >> 918-429-3620 > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett > >> <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > >> <mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > >> > >> ePMP doesn't support what? > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <dpe...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:dpe...@gmail.com>> > >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM > >> > >> > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, > >> the 450 does. > >> > >> > >> /Daniel Peoples/ > >> Resonance Broadband > >> > >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > >> 918-429-3620 > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett > >> <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > >> <mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > >> > >> Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely > >> plausible to move over. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <dpe...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:dpe...@gmail.com>> > >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM > >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > >> > >> Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could > >> be gold or a great big poo stain. > >> > >> If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have > >> that initial spert of awesome that will taper to nothing > >> in a year or two. It will eventually be stuck by the > >> wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 > >> radio to support a tool like this. > >> Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? > >> Sure, but they have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and > >> SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can support > >> these tools. > >> > >> If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than > >> likely mature into something that is MUCH better than ac > >> 1 or 2 , and something that actually on the billing side > >> approaches a real billing software and CPE management > >> system. > >> > >> All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox > >> for billing, the two programs both do exactly what I want > >> from them, and that is ALL I want them to do. If ubnt > >> makes a product that does both functions and is around > >> the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, > >> saves me complexity in billing and management. > >> > >> As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have > >> more vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even > >> know where the internet is, but you have to put your > >> billing system on the internet so that it can process a > >> CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your powercode > >> bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire > >> internet connection dies, because they have you to route > >> the information through the hardware. > >> > >> BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know > >> that ac1 exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he > >> couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie all of that > >> stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I > >> look at all of the stuff together. > >> > >> I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If > >> they do it right, it will be a properly good tool, if > >> they don't do it right, the adoption numbers will tell > >> them that they did wrong. > >> > >> > >> /Daniel Peoples/ > >> Resonance Broadband > >> > >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > >> 918-429-3620 > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson > >> <li...@mtin.net <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote: > >> > >> Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are > >> just a bunch of > >> hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business > >> and having the > >> proper tools to do that is essential. For several years > >> we have been > >> told that Air Control is being active developed, we have > >> programmers > >> working on it, etc. > >> > >> I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it > >> wasn¹t for the few > >> piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare > >> upgrading firmware, > >> and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we > >> could have spent > >> countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd > >> party tools, but > >> I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work > >> at one point. I > >> can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. > >> Has anyone at > >> UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading > >> firmware, making > >> changes, monitoring, etc. > >> > >> It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we > >> were spending > >> 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins > >> are thin, > >> marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks > >> spent less time > >> monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could > >> put on more > >> customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. > >> Not to mention > >> the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who > >> would PAY for a > >> working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving > >> labor means saving > >> money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like > >> Observium and > >> Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay > >> money if it meant I > >> had less hassle. > >> > >> Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? > >> This is such a bad > >> idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or > >> Beta? I installed > >> the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because > >> it worked my > >> client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an > >> integrated solution. > >> Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just > >> throw it out there. > >> > >> I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the > >> boat UBNT. > >> > >> Justin > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>> > >> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/blog> > >> Managed Services xISP Solutions Data Centers > >> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com > >> Podcast about xISP topics > >> http://www.midwest-ix.com > >> Peering Transit Internet Exchange > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >
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