It's a problem I'm very familiar with ;) On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:34 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having more installs than we can handle is a _good_ problem. :) > > YMMV, > JP > On Thu, 31 May 2018 13:12:46 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote > > >$350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow > > > > Where are you seeing 2 year ROI? With 5 customers you're breaking > > even, that's like 2 days of installs. With 20 customers you're more > > than profitable. > > > > This is exactly how we got started building a profitable business (this > > idea actually came from Travis Johnson). These days we basically > > get free money from the credit union via prime rate loan, it's > > something like $125 per $20k? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:08 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > JP, > > > > > > Respectively, I'm not totally disagreeing with you but it's an > interesting > > > discussion! > > > > > > Sure, typically less than a 2 year payback is considered fair by many > but > > > my point is that I can get a faster ROI on UBNT and near immediate > payback > > > on LOS customers. There are only so many hours a day so I seriously > > > consider where I spend my resources for the best ROI. I do totally > agree > > > with you that you probably have a better chance of keeping customers > should > > > any serious competition come into the area. I also agree that you may > be > > > able to get UBNT no-go customers. On that note, I'd love to hear how > that > > > point is going for you! > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:38 AM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> So, less than two years payback on 10 subs. Without borrowing a dime. > > >> Now, jump it up to real world numbers, 20 subs or more. > > >> Now, finance the equipment with the extra cash flow you now have. > > >> > > >> Many, many companies are happy with 10 year payback. 20 months is > pretty > > >> good. Sure, you're used to 'disruptive' numbers (and so are we). > > >> > > >> But we dropped 100K on Telrad to service about 100 customers. > > >> Not the best deal I ever made, but $6900/month sure does service a > 100K > > >> note with LOTS left over. :) > > >> > > >> Plus, with the better equipment, you might actually stand a chance of > > >> keeping those customers. > > >> > > >> We dropped UBNT 900 years ago. Just too slow. > > >> > > >> Cambium is a whole 'nother ball game. I have dozens (if not over a > > >> hundred) no go site surveys that a 450 Cambium might be able to > service. > > >> I will be looking into them. > > >> > > >> Just a thought. > > >> > > >> JP > > >> > > >> *On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote* > > >> > CAMBIUM: > > >> > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor > > >> $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 > > >> customers @ $50/month = $500/month > > >> > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months > > >> > > > >> > UBNT: > > >> > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + > Labor > > >> $600 = TOTAL: $3600 > > >> > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month > > >> > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months > > >> > > > >> > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS > > >> subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not > LOS! :) > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then > come > > >>> talk about cost. :) > > >>> > > > >>> > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 > > >>> clients. > > >>> > > > >>> > JP > > >>> > > > >>> > *On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote* > > >>> > > > >>> > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple > years. > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > Josh Luthman > > >>>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > >>>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > >>>> > > 1100 Wayne St > > >>>> > > Suite 1337 > > >>>> > > Troy, OH 45373 > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart < > > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps > in > > >>>>> foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit > of hill > > >>>>> which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would be > hard > > >>>>> press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any frequency, > it is > > >>>>> Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as > > >>>>> opinions will always matter between those WISPs in various > conditions. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and > have > > >>>>> customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. > That is > > >>>>> enough time to recover investment and make something. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long > time, > > >>>>> not even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter > sector > > >>>>> shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial > leases. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each > market > > >>>>> where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many > spots. > > >>>>> Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart < > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it > > >>>>>> work in foliage areas. > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head > Productions < > > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real > life > > >>>>>>> experience input. > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? > > >>>>>>> > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? > > >>>>>>> > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? > > >>>>>>> > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about > one > > >>>>>>> mile away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine > trees about 80 > > >>>>>>> to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > Thank you in advance for your reply. > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> *Ralf > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > * > > >>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > >>>>>>> > > [email protected] > > >>>>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > >>>>> > > [email protected] > > >>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > >>>> > > [email protected] > > >>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > -- > > >>> > > > > >>> > > -RickG > > >>> > > > >>> > Joe Portman > > >>> > Alamo Broadband Inc. > > >>> > www.alamobroadband.com > > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > Ubnt_users mailing list > > >>> > [email protected] > > >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > > >> > -RickG > > >> > > >> > > >> Joe Portman > > >> Alamo Broadband Inc. > > >> www.alamobroadband.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ubnt_users mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -RickG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > -- -RickG
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