Josh, You need to purchase the equipment. Obviously, if your leasing you may not have any outlay other than labor. I'm a fan of Travis Johnson's but you've got it be very careful with debt. Being debt free, I dont have to worry about servicing that debt and can lower my customer plans to $9.99/month if I want to :)
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > >$350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow > > Where are you seeing 2 year ROI? With 5 customers you're breaking even, > that's like 2 days of installs. With 20 customers you're more than > profitable. > > This is exactly how we got started building a profitable business (this > idea actually came from Travis Johnson). These days we basically get free > money from the credit union via prime rate loan, it's something like $125 > per $20k? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:08 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > >> JP, >> >> Respectively, I'm not totally disagreeing with you but it's an >> interesting discussion! >> >> Sure, typically less than a 2 year payback is considered fair by many but >> my point is that I can get a faster ROI on UBNT and near immediate payback >> on LOS customers. There are only so many hours a day so I seriously >> consider where I spend my resources for the best ROI. I do totally agree >> with you that you probably have a better chance of keeping customers should >> any serious competition come into the area. I also agree that you may be >> able to get UBNT no-go customers. On that note, I'd love to hear how that >> point is going for you! >> >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:38 AM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So, less than two years payback on 10 subs. Without borrowing a dime. >>> Now, jump it up to real world numbers, 20 subs or more. >>> Now, finance the equipment with the extra cash flow you now have. >>> >>> Many, many companies are happy with 10 year payback. 20 months is pretty >>> good. Sure, you're used to 'disruptive' numbers (and so are we). >>> >>> But we dropped 100K on Telrad to service about 100 customers. >>> Not the best deal I ever made, but $6900/month sure does service a 100K >>> note with LOTS left over. :) >>> >>> Plus, with the better equipment, you might actually stand a chance of >>> keeping those customers. >>> >>> We dropped UBNT 900 years ago. Just too slow. >>> >>> Cambium is a whole 'nother ball game. I have dozens (if not over a >>> hundred) no go site surveys that a 450 Cambium might be able to service. >>> I will be looking into them. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> JP >>> >>> *On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote* >>> > CAMBIUM: >>> > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor >>> $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 >>> customers @ $50/month = $500/month >>> > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months >>> > >>> > UBNT: >>> > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + >>> Labor $600 = TOTAL: $3600 >>> > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month >>> > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months >>> > >>> > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS >>> subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! :) >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then come >>>> talk about cost. :) >>>> > >>>> > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 >>>> clients. >>>> > >>>> > JP >>>> > >>>> > *On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote* >>>> > >>>> > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! >>>> > > >>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple years. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Josh Luthman >>>>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>>>> > > Suite 1337 >>>>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in >>>>>> foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit of >>>>>> hill >>>>>> which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would be hard >>>>>> press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any frequency, it is >>>>>> Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as >>>>>> opinions will always matter between those WISPs in various conditions. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and have >>>>>> customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. That is >>>>>> enough time to recover investment and make something. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long time, >>>>>> not even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter sector >>>>>> shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial leases. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each market >>>>>> where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many spots. >>>>>> Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it >>>>>>> work in foliage areas. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head Productions < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real life >>>>>>>> experience input. >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? >>>>>>>> > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? >>>>>>>> > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? >>>>>>>> > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about >>>>>>>> one mile away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine trees >>>>>>>> about 80 to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Thank you in advance for your reply. >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Ralf > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > * >>>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > >>>> > > -RickG >>>> > >>>> > Joe Portman >>>> > Alamo Broadband Inc. >>>> > www.alamobroadband.com >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > -RickG >>> >>> >>> Joe Portman >>> Alamo Broadband Inc. >>> www.alamobroadband.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -RickG >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > -- -RickG
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