Thanks! On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Jon Langeler <[email protected]> wrote:
> We use both UBNT and Cambium on occasion. X pol is definitely better as > both chains are more balanced and receiving same interference levels. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:48 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tommy, Do you find X-polarity better than H/V-Pol? > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Depends on the distance you are trying to service. Ideally, you want to >> be well above the canopy and use downtilt to blast down on your SM’s. This >> antenna is mounted on a small Rohn 25 and we have seven 5 GHz sectors above >> it. Our target is only ½ mile but we have customers over 1 mile from this >> sector. We put everyone we can on the ePMP at the top of the tower. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tommy Adams >> >> Network Administrator >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 Voice >> >> 817.558.1204 Fax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *Kees H. >> *Sent:* Friday, June 01, 2018 11:01 AM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> I know the fresnel zone is larger on the 900, so I am checking to see >> what the lowest is that you can place them >> >> >> >> *From:* Tommy Adams >> >> *Sent:* Friday, June 01, 2018 8:51 AM >> >> *To:* 'Ubiquiti Users Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> Mine is only 60 feet up. About 20 feet above the trees. I think it >> would work better up higher with more downtilt, but I am only shooting a >> short ways and am trying to avoid interference. And it works great where >> it is. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tommy Adams >> >> Network Administrator >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 Voice >> >> 817.558.1204 Fax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *Kees H. >> *Sent:* Friday, June 01, 2018 10:49 AM >> *To:* Paul Tackett <[email protected]>; Ubiquiti Users Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> How high AGL are you putting those Cambium APs? >> >> >> >> *From:* Paul Tackett via Ubnt_users >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 5:01 PM >> >> *To:* 'Ubiquiti Users Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> I believe the perpetrator of that job had OCD. Glad my techs who are >> slobs didn’t perform that mod. >> >> >> >> *Paul Tackett, COO* >> >> 406-284-3174x105 >> >> [email protected] >> >> --------------------------- >> >> <image001.png> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Tommy Adams >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 17:16 >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> That is fantastic. You even retained the little plastic cap on the end of >> the antenna. >> >> >> >> -------------------------------- >> >> Tommy A. >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 V >> >> 817.558.1204 F >> >> >> On May 31, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Did you set your target signal strength? They should automatically back >> off the power. >> >> >> >> -------------------------------- >> >> Tommy A. >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 V >> >> 817.558.1204 F >> >> >> On May 31, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Paul Tackett via Ubnt_users < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Impressive. We found that if there was LOS at that distance, we had to >> cut the yagi down to a nub as the signal was too hot and performance was >> terrible! >> >> >> >> Paul Tackett, COO >> >> (406)284-3174x105 >> >> [email protected] >> >> <image002.png> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Tommy Adams >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 15:10 >> *To:* 'Ubiquiti Users Group' <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> First picture is from the tower. You can see we are not that high. The >> customer pictures are .3 of a mile from the tower and downhill. As you can >> see in both pictures there is zero line of sight. You can also see that >> these are the worse modem placements being 900 MHz and shooting over a >> metal roof. They work beautifully. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tommy Adams >> >> Network Administrator >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 Voice >> >> 817.558.1204 Fax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *RickG >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:19 PM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> Thanks again Tommy! I'd love to see a picture of how thick the trees are! >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Now ours is not loaded up too heavily, only 12 clients. We sell every >> speed we offer which is up to 16 meg for home users. Most of the clients >> on this tower ore on our 5 or 8 meg package. Looking at the graphs, this >> sector is hitting 25 meg frequently, but there is about 60-70 meg of >> channel available, we are running in 20 MHz. Prior to this, we could only >> sell people our $30-$50 packages and they complained about the speed. I >> see our one last UBNT 900 top out at 6-8 meg every night with about the >> same number of people on it. We are buying a couple of SM’s a month and >> when we get enough for all the customers will do a quick change out of the >> tower and customers to the PMP gear. >> >> >> >> Overall experience with the PMP 900 is really good. We tried it in 10 >> MHz and it worked great then thought why not try 20 MHz and it still did >> great. We have a lot of frequency hopping electric meters and gas wells in >> our area. I think placement is a big thing too. I would not put this gear >> on a water tower next to the major highway. Not saying it would not work, >> but the if you can see the horizon, then the frequency can hear the >> horizon. We use this gear is a bowl of hills and trees. In fact we did >> not even mount it way above the trees. It is only 20 feet above the trees >> with down tilt. Our furthest customer through what we consider thick trees >> in north Texas is about ½ mile. We do have some customers a little over a >> mile away as well that could not get a clean LOS to the same tower. The >> gear is a real learning experience and not terribly friendly to work with. >> That being said, if a customer calls in and is experience issues, we do not >> even ask them to reboot the PMP SM. We start with their router and 95% of >> the time this resolves their issue. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tommy Adams >> >> Network Administrator >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 Voice >> >> 817.558.1204 Fax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *RickG >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:51 PM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> Thanks Tommy! What speeds are people seeing out there on the Cambium >> 900s? I dont trust marketing hype so real word input is very valuable in >> asking these types of decisions. >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> All I know is we install PMP450i 900 and we never visit the customer >> again. Also, when you think about it, the equipment may cost 5k, but I >> would rather have 5 customers bringing in $250/month ($50 package) than the >> 5k. Also, it is not uncommon for companies to charge a higher installation >> fee or slightly higher rates when using NLOS equipment. The additional >> cost must be absorbed by the company or passed on to the consumer. There >> are a number of wonderful lease to own deals out there that do not break >> the bank. We have used Ascentium Capital in the past for emergency >> upgrades to all our wireless backhauls. I know most everyone on here is a >> big UBNT fan, it is after all a UBNT forum, but some of their products are >> not very good. This is one of them. Talking to them at Wispapolooza last >> year, there does not sound like any upgrades are coming for the 900 or >> 3.65. We have deployed Cambium PMP gear in both frequencies and are glad >> to spend the money. It is a real jump in quality. Now would I deploy >> PMP450 in a low end trailer park, not likely. We use UBNT, PMP, ePMP and >> even some Mikrotik in our network. >> >> >> >> Good luck… >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tommy Adams >> >> Network Administrator >> >> Digitex.com >> >> >> >> 817.558.6230 Voice >> >> 817.558.1204 Fax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *RickG >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:42 PM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz >> >> >> >> JP, I apologize if you took my comment as a personal offense, it was not >> directed at you but rather I was sharing my experience in a moment of >> "weakness" :P >> >> Either way, no need to reply because we've definitely beaten this horse >> to death. That said, thanks again! >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:33 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Easy enough to verify, the stock sale was registered with the SEC. >> >> 5 minutes of research on Google will give you a pretty good idea of who I >> am, what I own, etc. >> >> And, I think this is the last time I will ever respond to you, since I >> don't fancy being called a prevaricator. >> >> Please, please, please, ignore all my advice. >> >> >> >> JP >> >> *On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:26:18 -0400, RickG wrote* >> >> > JP, With all due respect, I know and have known many "millionaires" - >> until you see their balance sheet and realize they owe more than they own. >> With that said, if you've done better than they, then congratulations are >> in order. I do appreciate your input, so thanks for that! >> > >> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> > I became a multimillionaire through the judicious use of debt. >> > >> > Went from 0 to $2.1 million a year in 4.5 years, from 0 to 11000 dialup >> customers. >> > Could not have done it with cash. :) >> > >> > I have Jim Hollis (fispa) to thank for opening my eyes to cash flow >> based financing. >> > >> > Nothing major gets built without leverage. >> > >> > YMMV, >> > JP >> > >> > *On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:04:59 -0400, RickG wrote* >> > >> > > Ah, that's the difference between us - I run a debt free company. >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:23 AM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > Well, if there is no other service available, $50/month is too low. >> :) SB able to charge more. Good price is $69.95. >> > > >> > > $10000*.035 = $350 month for 60 months. (and that is a VERY expensive >> lease). >> > > >> > > 10 customers at $70 = $700/month. $350 profit off the jump. >> Acceptable, but not 'juicy'. :) >> > > >> > > 20 customers at $70 = $1400/month (per sector) = $1000 profit per >> month (per sector). Now we're talking. >> > > >> > > We have hundreds of no-go site surveys that might work with 900 if we >> can beat the interference from CPS Energy. >> > > >> > > Get better lease terms and profit goes up. >> > > >> > > Charge an installation fee to cover some of your upfront costs as >> well. $199 seems reasonable if no other service is available. >> > > Add in a managed router service (or anything you can think of to >> drive ARPU up). >> > > >> > > Now your upfront for 20 customers = $4000 for radios and $6000 for >> sector with backup. (you only need ONE backup BTW) >> > > Second sector is only $7K for 20 customers. >> > > >> > > And the beat goes on. >> > > >> > > $350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow. I'd >> make that deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday. >> > > >> > > But that's just me. :) >> > > >> > > YMMV. >> > > >> > > JP >> > > >> > > >> > > *On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote* > CAMBIUM: >> > > > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor >> $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 >> customers @ $50/month = $500/month >> > > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months >> > > > >> > > > UBNT: >> > > > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + >> Labor $600 = TOTAL: $3600 >> > > > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month >> > > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months >> > > > >> > > > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS >> subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! :) >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then come >> talk about cost. :) >> > > > >> > > > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 >> clients. >> > > > >> > > > JP >> > > > >> > > > *On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote* >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! >> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple years. >> > > > > >> > > > > Josh Luthman >> > > > > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > > > > 1100 Wayne St >> > > > > Suite 1337 >> > > > > Troy, OH 45373 >> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in >> foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit of hill >> which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would be hard >> press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any frequency, it is >> Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. >> > > > > >> > > > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as >> opinions will always matter between those WISPs in various conditions. >> > > > > >> > > > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and have >> customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. That is >> enough time to recover investment and make something. >> > > > > >> > > > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long time, >> not even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter sector >> shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial leases. >> > > > > >> > > > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each market >> where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many spots. >> Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! >> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it >> work in foliage areas. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head Productions < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real life >> experience input. >> > > > > >> > > > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? >> > > > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? >> > > > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? >> > > > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about one >> mile away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine trees about 80 >> to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? >> > > > > >> > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> *Ralf > > > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > > > * >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > >> > > > > -RickG >> > > > >> > > > Joe Portman >> > > > Alamo Broadband Inc. >> > > > www.alamobroadband.com >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > > -RickG >> > > >> > > Joe Portman >> > > Alamo Broadband Inc. >> > > www.alamobroadband.com >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > -RickG >> > >> > Joe Portman >> > Alamo Broadband Inc. >> > www.alamobroadband.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -RickG >> >> >> Joe Portman >> Alamo Broadband Inc. >> www.alamobroadband.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -RickG >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -RickG >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -RickG >> >> >> >> <image002.jpg> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> > > > -- > -RickG > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > -- -RickG
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