Did you set your target signal strength? They should automatically back off the power.
-------------------------------- Tommy A. Digitex.com 817.558.6230 V 817.558.1204 F > On May 31, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Paul Tackett via Ubnt_users > <ubnt_users@wispa.org> wrote: > > Impressive. We found that if there was LOS at that distance, we had to cut > the yagi down to a nub as the signal was too hot and performance was terrible! > > Paul Tackett, COO > (406)284-3174x105 > p...@latmt.com > <image002.png> > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tommy Adams > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 15:10 > To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz > > First picture is from the tower. You can see we are not that high. The > customer pictures are .3 of a mile from the tower and downhill. As you can > see in both pictures there is zero line of sight. You can also see that > these are the worse modem placements being 900 MHz and shooting over a metal > roof. They work beautifully. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tommy Adams > Network Administrator > Digitex.com > > 817.558.6230 Voice > 817.558.1204 Fax > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org <ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> On Behalf > Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:19 PM > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz > > Thanks again Tommy! I'd love to see a picture of how thick the trees are! > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Tommy Adams <tomm...@digitex.net> wrote: > Now ours is not loaded up too heavily, only 12 clients. We sell every speed > we offer which is up to 16 meg for home users. Most of the clients on this > tower ore on our 5 or 8 meg package. Looking at the graphs, this sector is > hitting 25 meg frequently, but there is about 60-70 meg of channel available, > we are running in 20 MHz. Prior to this, we could only sell people our > $30-$50 packages and they complained about the speed. I see our one last > UBNT 900 top out at 6-8 meg every night with about the same number of people > on it. We are buying a couple of SM’s a month and when we get enough for all > the customers will do a quick change out of the tower and customers to the > PMP gear. > > Overall experience with the PMP 900 is really good. We tried it in 10 MHz > and it worked great then thought why not try 20 MHz and it still did great. > We have a lot of frequency hopping electric meters and gas wells in our area. > I think placement is a big thing too. I would not put this gear on a water > tower next to the major highway. Not saying it would not work, but the if > you can see the horizon, then the frequency can hear the horizon. We use > this gear is a bowl of hills and trees. In fact we did not even mount it way > above the trees. It is only 20 feet above the trees with down tilt. Our > furthest customer through what we consider thick trees in north Texas is > about ½ mile. We do have some customers a little over a mile away as well > that could not get a clean LOS to the same tower. The gear is a real > learning experience and not terribly friendly to work with. That being said, > if a customer calls in and is experience issues, we do not even ask them to > reboot the PMP SM. We start with their router and 95% of the time this > resolves their issue. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tommy Adams > Network Administrator > Digitex.com > > 817.558.6230 Voice > 817.558.1204 Fax > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org <ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> On Behalf > Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:51 PM > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz > > Thanks Tommy! What speeds are people seeing out there on the Cambium 900s? I > dont trust marketing hype so real word input is very valuable in asking these > types of decisions. > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Tommy Adams <tomm...@digitex.net> wrote: > All I know is we install PMP450i 900 and we never visit the customer again. > Also, when you think about it, the equipment may cost 5k, but I would rather > have 5 customers bringing in $250/month ($50 package) than the 5k. Also, it > is not uncommon for companies to charge a higher installation fee or slightly > higher rates when using NLOS equipment. The additional cost must be absorbed > by the company or passed on to the consumer. There are a number of wonderful > lease to own deals out there that do not break the bank. We have used > Ascentium Capital in the past for emergency upgrades to all our wireless > backhauls. I know most everyone on here is a big UBNT fan, it is after all a > UBNT forum, but some of their products are not very good. This is one of > them. Talking to them at Wispapolooza last year, there does not sound like > any upgrades are coming for the 900 or 3.65. We have deployed Cambium PMP > gear in both frequencies and are glad to spend the money. It is a real jump > in quality. Now would I deploy PMP450 in a low end trailer park, not likely. > We use UBNT, PMP, ePMP and even some Mikrotik in our network. > > Good luck… > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tommy Adams > Network Administrator > Digitex.com > > 817.558.6230 Voice > 817.558.1204 Fax > > > > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org <ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> On Behalf > Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:42 PM > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <ubnt_users@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz > > JP, I apologize if you took my comment as a personal offense, it was not > directed at you but rather I was sharing my experience in a moment of > "weakness" :P > Either way, no need to reply because we've definitely beaten this horse to > death. That said, thanks again! > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:33 PM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > Easy enough to verify, the stock sale was registered with the SEC. > 5 minutes of research on Google will give you a pretty good idea of who I am, > what I own, etc. > And, I think this is the last time I will ever respond to you, since I don't > fancy being called a prevaricator. > Please, please, please, ignore all my advice. > > JP > On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:26:18 -0400, RickG wrote > > JP, With all due respect, I know and have known many "millionaires" - until > > you see their balance sheet and realize they owe more than they own. With > > that said, if you've done better than they, then congratulations are in > > order. I do appreciate your input, so thanks for that! > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I became a multimillionaire through the judicious use of debt. > > > > Went from 0 to $2.1 million a year in 4.5 years, from 0 to 11000 dialup > > customers. > > Could not have done it with cash. :) > > > > I have Jim Hollis (fispa) to thank for opening my eyes to cash flow based > > financing. > > > > Nothing major gets built without leverage. > > > > YMMV, > > JP > > > > On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:04:59 -0400, RickG wrote > > > > > Ah, that's the difference between us - I run a debt free company. > > > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:23 AM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, if there is no other service available, $50/month is too low. :) SB > > > able to charge more. Good price is $69.95. > > > > > > $10000*.035 = $350 month for 60 months. (and that is a VERY expensive > > > lease). > > > > > > 10 customers at $70 = $700/month. $350 profit off the jump. Acceptable, > > > but not 'juicy'. :) > > > > > > 20 customers at $70 = $1400/month (per sector) = $1000 profit per month > > > (per sector). Now we're talking. > > > > > > We have hundreds of no-go site surveys that might work with 900 if we can > > > beat the interference from CPS Energy. > > > > > > Get better lease terms and profit goes up. > > > > > > Charge an installation fee to cover some of your upfront costs as well. > > > $199 seems reasonable if no other service is available. > > > Add in a managed router service (or anything you can think of to drive > > > ARPU up). > > > > > > Now your upfront for 20 customers = $4000 for radios and $6000 for sector > > > with backup. (you only need ONE backup BTW) > > > Second sector is only $7K for 20 customers. > > > > > > And the beat goes on. > > > > > > $350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow. I'd make > > > that deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday. > > > > > > But that's just me. :) > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > JP > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote > CAMBIUM: > > > > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor > > > > $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 > > > > customers @ $50/month = $500/month > > > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months > > > > > > > > UBNT: > > > > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + Labor > > > > $600 = TOTAL: $3600 > > > > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month > > > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months > > > > > > > > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS > > > > subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! > > > > :) > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then come > > > > talk about cost. :) > > > > > > > > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 clients. > > > > > > > > JP > > > > > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman > > > > > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple years. > > > > > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > > > Suite 1337 > > > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart > > > > > <cstew...@scsbroadband.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in > > > > > foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit of > > > > > hill which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would > > > > > be hard press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any > > > > > frequency, it is Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. > > > > > > > > > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as opinions > > > > > will always matter between those WISPs in various conditions. > > > > > > > > > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and have > > > > > customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. > > > > > That is enough time to recover investment and make something. > > > > > > > > > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long time, not > > > > > even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter sector > > > > > shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial > > > > > leases. > > > > > > > > > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each market > > > > > where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many > > > > > spots. Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart > > > > > <cstew...@scsbroadband.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it work in > > > > > foliage areas. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head Productions > > > > > <r...@thpi.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real life > > > > > experience input. > > > > > > > > > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? > > > > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? > > > > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? > > > > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about one mile > > > > > away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine trees about > > > > > 80 to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > Ralf > > > > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -RickG > > > > > > > > Joe Portman > > > > Alamo Broadband Inc. > > > > www.alamobroadband.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -RickG > > > > > > Joe Portman > > > Alamo Broadband Inc. > > > www.alamobroadband.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -RickG > > > > Joe Portman > > Alamo Broadband Inc. > > www.alamobroadband.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -RickG > > > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > -- > -RickG > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > -- > -RickG > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > -- > -RickG > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
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