First picture is from the tower. You can see we are not that high.
The customer pictures are .3 of a mile from the tower and downhill.
As you can see in both pictures there is zero line of sight. You can
also see that these are the worse modem placements being 900 MHz and
shooting over a metal roof. They work beautifully.
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Tommy Adams
Network Administrator
Digitex.com
817.558.6230 Voice
817.558.1204 Fax
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:19 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz
Thanks again Tommy! I'd love to see a picture of how thick the trees are!
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Now ours is not loaded up too heavily, only 12 clients. We sell
every speed we offer which is up to 16 meg for home users. Most
of the clients on this tower ore on our 5 or 8 meg package.
Looking at the graphs, this sector is hitting 25 meg frequently,
but there is about 60-70 meg of channel available, we are running
in 20 MHz. Prior to this, we could only sell people our $30-$50
packages and they complained about the speed. I see our one last
UBNT 900 top out at 6-8 meg every night with about the same number
of people on it. We are buying a couple of SM’s a month and when
we get enough for all the customers will do a quick change out of
the tower and customers to the PMP gear.
Overall experience with the PMP 900 is really good. We tried it
in 10 MHz and it worked great then thought why not try 20 MHz and
it still did great. We have a lot of frequency hopping electric
meters and gas wells in our area. I think placement is a big
thing too. I would not put this gear on a water tower next to the
major highway. Not saying it would not work, but the if you can
see the horizon, then the frequency can hear the horizon. We use
this gear is a bowl of hills and trees. In fact we did not even
mount it way above the trees. It is only 20 feet above the trees
with down tilt. Our furthest customer through what we consider
thick trees in north Texas is about ½ mile. We do have some
customers a little over a mile away as well that could not get a
clean LOS to the same tower. The gear is a real learning
experience and not terribly friendly to work with. That being
said, if a customer calls in and is experience issues, we do not
even ask them to reboot the PMP SM. We start with their router
and 95% of the time this resolves their issue.
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Tommy Adams
Network Administrator
Digitex.com
817.558.6230 Voice
817.558.1204 Fax
*From:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:51 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz
Thanks Tommy! What speeds are people seeing out there on the
Cambium 900s? I dont trust marketing hype so real word input is
very valuable in asking these types of decisions.
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
All I know is we install PMP450i 900 and we never visit the
customer again. Also, when you think about it, the equipment
may cost 5k, but I would rather have 5 customers bringing in
$250/month ($50 package) than the 5k. Also, it is not
uncommon for companies to charge a higher installation fee or
slightly higher rates when using NLOS equipment. The
additional cost must be absorbed by the company or passed on
to the consumer. There are a number of wonderful lease to own
deals out there that do not break the bank. We have used
Ascentium Capital in the past for emergency upgrades to all
our wireless backhauls. I know most everyone on here is a big
UBNT fan, it is after all a UBNT forum, but some of their
products are not very good. This is one of them. Talking to
them at Wispapolooza last year, there does not sound like any
upgrades are coming for the 900 or 3.65. We have deployed
Cambium PMP gear in both frequencies and are glad to spend the
money. It is a real jump in quality. Now would I deploy
PMP450 in a low end trailer park, not likely. We use UBNT,
PMP, ePMP and even some Mikrotik in our network.
Good luck…
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Tommy Adams
Network Administrator
Digitex.com
817.558.6230 Voice
817.558.1204 Fax
*From:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:42 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz
JP, I apologize if you took my comment as a personal offense,
it was not directed at you but rather I was sharing my
experience in a moment of "weakness" :P
Either way, no need to reply because we've definitely beaten
this horse to death. That said, thanks again!
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:33 PM, J Portman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Easy enough to verify, the stock sale was registered with
the SEC.
5 minutes of research on Google will give you a pretty
good idea of who I am, what I own, etc.
And, I think this is the last time I will ever respond to
you, since I don't fancy being called a prevaricator.
Please, please, please, ignore all my advice.
JP
*On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:26:18 -0400, RickG wrote*
> JP, With all due respect, I know and have known many
"millionaires" - until you see their balance sheet and
realize they owe more than they own. With that said, if
you've done better than they, then congratulations are in
order. I do appreciate your input, so thanks for that!
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM, J Portman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
> I became a multimillionaire through the judicious
use of debt.
>
> Went from 0 to $2.1 million a year in 4.5 years,
from 0 to 11000 dialup customers.
> Could not have done it with cash. :)
>
> I have Jim Hollis (fispa) to thank for opening my
eyes to cash flow based financing.
>
> Nothing major gets built without leverage.
>
> YMMV,
> JP
>
> *On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:04:59 -0400, RickG wrote*
>
> > Ah, that's the difference between us - I run a
debt free company.
> >
> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:23 AM, J Portman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, if there is no other service available,
$50/month is too low. :) SB able to charge more.
Good price is $69.95.
> >
> > $10000*.035 = $350 month for 60 months. (and
that is a VERY expensive lease).
> >
> > 10 customers at $70 = $700/month. $350 profit
off the jump. Acceptable, but not 'juicy'. :)
> >
> > 20 customers at $70 = $1400/month (per
sector) = $1000 profit per month (per sector). Now
we're talking.
> >
> > We have hundreds of no-go site surveys that
might work with 900 if we can beat the
interference from CPS Energy.
> >
> > Get better lease terms and profit goes up.
> >
> > Charge an installation fee to cover some of
your upfront costs as well. $199 seems reasonable
if no other service is available.
> > Add in a managed router service (or anything
you can think of to drive ARPU up).
> >
> > Now your upfront for 20 customers = $4000 for
radios and $6000 for sector with backup. (you only
need ONE backup BTW)
> > Second sector is only $7K for 20 customers.
> >
> > And the beat goes on.
> >
> > $350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for
incoming cash flow. I'd make that deal every day
of the week and twice on Sunday.
> >
> > But that's just me. :)
> >
> > YMMV.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> > *On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG
wrote* > CAMBIUM:
> > > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 +
CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor $600 = TOTAL:
$10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow:
10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month
> > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20
months
> > >
> > > UBNT:
> > > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 +
CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + Labor $600 = TOTAL: $3600
> > > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month
> > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2
months
> > >
> > > That's a big difference, especially when you
consider my ROI on LOS subs is much, much less! 3
cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! :)
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the
LTE solutions and then come talk about cost. :)
> > >
> > > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but
amortizes VERY quickly with 10 clients.
> > >
> > > JP
> > >
> > > *On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400,
RickG wrote*
> > >
> >
> > > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh
Luthman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cambium came out with their 450i
in 900 in the last couple years.
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM
Clay Stewart <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What to expect with the best
of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in
foliage and at least 100' over
treetops on a tower. We have a bit of
hill which makes the difference for
eight over the terrain. I would be
hard press to deploy in flat land with
foliage. As with any frequency, it is
Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height.
> > > >
> > > > Get recommendations from
someone who has similar terrain, as
opinions will always matter between
those WISPs in various conditions.
> > > >
> > > > If you have no pending
competition in next 24-36 months and
have customers that can only be
serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out.
That is enough time to recover
investment and make something.
> > > >
> > > > I agree though, nothing has
been done with 900Mhz in a long time,
not even a shielded radio like the
TIs, or a better, lighter sector
shielding which costs wind load and
weight issue for commercial leases.
> > > >
> > > > We are converting from 900Mhz
at a pace required for each market
where possible. But I expect we will
have them for awhile in many spots.
Hell, we still have a few Alvarians
collecting money!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09
AM, Clay Stewart
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You have to use Rocket
Yagis with Shielded Sectors to
make it work in foliage areas.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at
3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head
Productions <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in
Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and
need real life experience input.
> > > >
> > > > Do they cut through
heavy pine trees?
> > > > What is the real
distance I can archive through
pine trees?
> > > > Does it have
sufficient bandwidth throughput?
> > > > I have 3 customers who
would like to sign up. They
are about one mile away from
the tower. The distance is
through heavy pine trees about
80 to 100 feet tall. Any
suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you in advance
for your reply.
> > > >
> > > > *Ralf
> > > > Gulf Wireless Inc.
> > > > *
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -RickG
> > >
> > > Joe Portman
> > > Alamo Broadband Inc.
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