I know the fresnel zone is larger on the 900, so I am checking to see what the lowest is that you can place them
From: Tommy Adams Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 8:51 AM To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz Mine is only 60 feet up. About 20 feet above the trees. I think it would work better up higher with more downtilt, but I am only shooting a short ways and am trying to avoid interference. And it works great where it is. ----------------------------------------------------------- Tommy Adams Network Administrator Digitex.com 817.558.6230 Voice 817.558.1204 Fax From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kees H. Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 10:49 AM To: Paul Tackett <[email protected]>; Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz How high AGL are you putting those Cambium APs? From: Paul Tackett via Ubnt_users Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 5:01 PM To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz I believe the perpetrator of that job had OCD. Glad my techs who are slobs didn’t perform that mod. Paul Tackett, COO 406-284-3174x105 [email protected] --------------------------- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tommy Adams Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 17:16 To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz That is fantastic. You even retained the little plastic cap on the end of the antenna. -------------------------------- Tommy A. Digitex.com 817.558.6230 V 817.558.1204 F On May 31, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: Did you set your target signal strength? They should automatically back off the power. -------------------------------- Tommy A. Digitex.com 817.558.6230 V 817.558.1204 F On May 31, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Paul Tackett via Ubnt_users <[email protected]> wrote: Impressive. We found that if there was LOS at that distance, we had to cut the yagi down to a nub as the signal was too hot and performance was terrible! Paul Tackett, COO (406)284-3174x105 [email protected] <image002.png> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tommy Adams Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 15:10 To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz First picture is from the tower. You can see we are not that high. The customer pictures are .3 of a mile from the tower and downhill. As you can see in both pictures there is zero line of sight. You can also see that these are the worse modem placements being 900 MHz and shooting over a metal roof. They work beautifully. ----------------------------------------------------------- Tommy Adams Network Administrator Digitex.com 817.558.6230 Voice 817.558.1204 Fax From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:19 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz Thanks again Tommy! I'd love to see a picture of how thick the trees are! On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: Now ours is not loaded up too heavily, only 12 clients. We sell every speed we offer which is up to 16 meg for home users. Most of the clients on this tower ore on our 5 or 8 meg package. Looking at the graphs, this sector is hitting 25 meg frequently, but there is about 60-70 meg of channel available, we are running in 20 MHz. Prior to this, we could only sell people our $30-$50 packages and they complained about the speed. I see our one last UBNT 900 top out at 6-8 meg every night with about the same number of people on it. We are buying a couple of SM’s a month and when we get enough for all the customers will do a quick change out of the tower and customers to the PMP gear. Overall experience with the PMP 900 is really good. We tried it in 10 MHz and it worked great then thought why not try 20 MHz and it still did great. We have a lot of frequency hopping electric meters and gas wells in our area. I think placement is a big thing too. I would not put this gear on a water tower next to the major highway. Not saying it would not work, but the if you can see the horizon, then the frequency can hear the horizon. We use this gear is a bowl of hills and trees. In fact we did not even mount it way above the trees. It is only 20 feet above the trees with down tilt. Our furthest customer through what we consider thick trees in north Texas is about ½ mile. We do have some customers a little over a mile away as well that could not get a clean LOS to the same tower. The gear is a real learning experience and not terribly friendly to work with. That being said, if a customer calls in and is experience issues, we do not even ask them to reboot the PMP SM. We start with their router and 95% of the time this resolves their issue. ----------------------------------------------------------- Tommy Adams Network Administrator Digitex.com 817.558.6230 Voice 817.558.1204 Fax From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:51 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz Thanks Tommy! What speeds are people seeing out there on the Cambium 900s? I dont trust marketing hype so real word input is very valuable in asking these types of decisions. On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote: All I know is we install PMP450i 900 and we never visit the customer again. Also, when you think about it, the equipment may cost 5k, but I would rather have 5 customers bringing in $250/month ($50 package) than the 5k. Also, it is not uncommon for companies to charge a higher installation fee or slightly higher rates when using NLOS equipment. The additional cost must be absorbed by the company or passed on to the consumer. There are a number of wonderful lease to own deals out there that do not break the bank. We have used Ascentium Capital in the past for emergency upgrades to all our wireless backhauls. I know most everyone on here is a big UBNT fan, it is after all a UBNT forum, but some of their products are not very good. This is one of them. Talking to them at Wispapolooza last year, there does not sound like any upgrades are coming for the 900 or 3.65. We have deployed Cambium PMP gear in both frequencies and are glad to spend the money. It is a real jump in quality. Now would I deploy PMP450 in a low end trailer park, not likely. We use UBNT, PMP, ePMP and even some Mikrotik in our network. Good luck… ----------------------------------------------------------- Tommy Adams Network Administrator Digitex.com 817.558.6230 Voice 817.558.1204 Fax From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:42 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] UBNET 900Mhz JP, I apologize if you took my comment as a personal offense, it was not directed at you but rather I was sharing my experience in a moment of "weakness" :P Either way, no need to reply because we've definitely beaten this horse to death. That said, thanks again! On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:33 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: Easy enough to verify, the stock sale was registered with the SEC. 5 minutes of research on Google will give you a pretty good idea of who I am, what I own, etc. And, I think this is the last time I will ever respond to you, since I don't fancy being called a prevaricator. Please, please, please, ignore all my advice. JP On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:26:18 -0400, RickG wrote > JP, With all due respect, I know and have known many "millionaires" - until you see their balance sheet and realize they owe more than they own. With that said, if you've done better than they, then congratulations are in order. I do appreciate your input, so thanks for that! > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I became a multimillionaire through the judicious use of debt. > > Went from 0 to $2.1 million a year in 4.5 years, from 0 to 11000 dialup customers. > Could not have done it with cash. :) > > I have Jim Hollis (fispa) to thank for opening my eyes to cash flow based financing. > > Nothing major gets built without leverage. > > YMMV, > JP > > On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:04:59 -0400, RickG wrote > > > Ah, that's the difference between us - I run a debt free company. > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:23 AM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well, if there is no other service available, $50/month is too low. :) SB able to charge more. Good price is $69.95. > > > > $10000*.035 = $350 month for 60 months. (and that is a VERY expensive lease). > > > > 10 customers at $70 = $700/month. $350 profit off the jump. Acceptable, but not 'juicy'. :) > > > > 20 customers at $70 = $1400/month (per sector) = $1000 profit per month (per sector). Now we're talking. > > > > We have hundreds of no-go site surveys that might work with 900 if we can beat the interference from CPS Energy. > > > > Get better lease terms and profit goes up. > > > > Charge an installation fee to cover some of your upfront costs as well. $199 seems reasonable if no other service is available. > > Add in a managed router service (or anything you can think of to drive ARPU up). > > > > Now your upfront for 20 customers = $4000 for radios and $6000 for sector with backup. (you only need ONE backup BTW) > > Second sector is only $7K for 20 customers. > > > > And the beat goes on. > > > > $350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow. I'd make that deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday. > > > > But that's just me. :) > > > > YMMV. > > > > JP > > > > > > On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote > CAMBIUM: > > > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month > > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months > > > > > > UBNT: > > > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + Labor $600 = TOTAL: $3600 > > > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month > > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months > > > > > > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! :) > > > > > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then come talk about cost. :) > > > > > > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 clients. > > > > > > JP > > > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote > > > > > > > > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple years. > > > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > > Suite 1337 > > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit of hill which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would be hard press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any frequency, it is Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. > > > > > > > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as opinions will always matter between those WISPs in various conditions. > > > > > > > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and have customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. That is enough time to recover investment and make something. > > > > > > > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long time, not even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter sector shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial leases. > > > > > > > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each market where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many spots. Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it work in foliage areas. > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head Productions <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real life experience input. > > > > > > > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? > > > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? > > > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? > > > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about one mile away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine trees about 80 to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply. > > > > > > > > Ralf > > > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -RickG > > > > > > Joe Portman > > > Alamo Broadband Inc. > > > www.alamobroadband.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -RickG > > > > Joe Portman > > Alamo Broadband Inc. > > www.alamobroadband.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -RickG > > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > -- > > -RickG Joe Portman Alamo Broadband Inc. www.alamobroadband.com _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- -RickG _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- -RickG _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- -RickG Virus-free. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
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