Dr Kayondo
The reason why Fedesnet was shut down was because all these questions were
asked. What you are discussing here is actually not new these are old
discussions where in Fedesnet men like Kasangwawo and WBK tried to rummage the
discussion through and silenced every one. Now what is different this time
around is that UAH is not a Federal forum, or you would have been un-subscribed
already. WBK asked Mwami Kibuuka to unsubscribe me and I was unsubscribed for I
remained on a single question, what will be the relationship of Mengo with the
Federal government in Kampala? It was interpreted as a diverting question and I
was kicked out. The forum died for they lost so many people and the questions
remained. What is the cost also became a hot topic, but it was also defined as
a diverting question. So the attacks you have today should not scare you we
have seen it already, you see you are supposed to embrace federalism but never
consider its costs. EM is strange to oppose Federalism in Uganda when he is
enjoying its fruits in Canada, now when you line its failures in the same
Canada, no we are not using Canada’s federalism we are creating our own. And
one can opine that Uganda is holding together today thanks to the unitary
system, many of these crappie minds that are so uncivilized to a point of
killing their own children will perish into un-civilization if you ever allow
them to lead their people.
Start by understanding why the unitary system is failing then fix it.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
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Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
Madam Rhita,
Read through my posts on issue and find out why I ask for the cost, I also find
it amazing that those who label me anti-Federo always jump over the line in my
posts where I clearly mention my love for a federal government and I have gone
further to give my reasons why I love it so much.
Madam Rhita, I am told nearly all girls fantasize about their wedding before
they are of age to get married, my question is, do you think it would be
appropriate to get them married as soon as they start getting these wedding
dreams or would you rather they mature to the age where they can make the right
choice of man after all its a life time commitment?
My choice to wait is my plan for making a better choice, and being a keeper, I
really dont want to be rushed! Hope you know what I mean.
Eddie MD
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From: 'Rhita' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
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To: "[email protected]
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Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
Dr Eddie and other anti/ Federo companions, I find it absurd that you
continuously ask pro- federalist how much it will cost to change UGANDA to
Federo state.... Scared too soon!!!
Hardly new governments can give definite figures to planned policies- stop
asking the impossible.
You're now blinded by the mere cost of change rather than embracing what could
be a massive economic growth to our nation.
For pro federalist to give you a significant figure would be a blatant lie-
why? because we currently don't know the financial figures in M7's failed
state- the state is run on a cash economy with hardly any country savings but
rather incurring daily debt.
UGANDA is run on a hand to mouth economy- let's not forget.
This should not feign our efforts to embrace change at whatever cost, but
federalists can come up with planned proportionate formulas that embrace
Ugandan states/ districts/ regions or whatever, they would be referred to after
transparent countrywide reform cross-examinations.
Federalism advantages overwhelmingly outweigh what is on table today.
Moving forward, we can look at achieving a better economy, competitive
inter-state Labour, better infrastructure such as education, health systems(
where we can look adopt Dr Eddie's health system formulae) on top of others.
Federo shouldn't be analyzed as an end to means of corruption but a new model
to fighting corruption can be included within.
Economic growth and urbanization go hand in hand- looking at Kampala- the
current unitary system is only centralized its economy in this city. Isn't it
clear that Kampala is thriving but there is vast regional imbalances?
Can we ignore the fact that Kampala has reached its limit?
More should be focused elsewhere by sharing it amongst the the local community
people themselves in every region without begging the president.... Muzeii
atuwadde.... Agabye bibye? Nedda.
The current unitary system has put all its economic eggs in one basket and this
is limiting industrialization and other services which UGANDA can strive upon.
Dr Eddie- Federalism will not strive growth in other cities spontaneously. The
physical and political infrastructure has been abused within other regions for
ages and thus the obvious results - " geographical growth imbalances" which we
can either risk to try and recover via different models. What are we if we are
afraid of that "risk"?
"COWARDS"- we have died many times under the guise of cowardice.... What good
has become of us?
Your question should be - what would be the best basis for the proportionate
share per pot and what would the calculation base on? What powers will each
region hold as well as central government?
Will it be based on regional population( remember we haven't had a census in
decades)? Or?
We can prepare for Federalism, it might fail but let's not be afraid to fail-
it's the only way for us to succeed.
Rhita Wasswa
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On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:58 PM, 'Ssekajja' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> wrote:
Ndugu Ocen,
First of all, Mr Akim Odong, is a one off brave, smart, articulate and very
clever Acholi/ Ugandan/ African man. I don't believe at any time that am
smarter than him!!!!!!!! On the contrary, I think he is smarter than I am!!
Secondly, when I wrote that, "There is corruption in Nigeria, because the
federal state wields more power than the states", I was implying that the
aggregate states, as a unity, should be more assertive on policy and national
direction than the federal state. Sounds ridiculous to a Ugandan, who has known
no democracy and rule of law, for fifty years, but it is possible. The question
here is, - Who is the head of the federal state, and what power does he wield?
The last thing we want, is another Abacha of Nigeria or Kiir of S.Sudan, with
more power than the aggregation of the federal states, in their respective
countries.
The greatest important question is, - Is it possible to have the head of state
as the entire federal assembly??????????????????????? The answer is YES!!!!!
The assembly can Beverly head of state, with a rotating chairperson who assumes
authority as a functioning head of state. We can have a new chairperson every
six month rotating through all the representatives of the 14 regions of Uganda.
NOW, - Before we come up with a best way forward on what federal state to use,
we should look at other functioning federal sates and draws examples from them,
for our unique history. We have to come up with something that is going to
work, OR we are doomed for an unforeseeable future.
The best federalism is one where the federal state and the aggregate states
cancel each other out. The best example is Switzerland.
Ssekajja
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On 21 Jun 2015, at 00:50, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
Ssekajja:
Please show me a country where actual Federalism exists and their center is
weaker than its regions?
I know you are a lot smarter than Akim Odong, but you are seriously letting
down here.
Ocen
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From: 'Ssekajja' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 19:05
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Subject: Re: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
Ndugu Ocen,
We don't want federalism of a Nigeria or South Sudan type. These are
federalisms in name, not in reality. It is no wonder that Nigeria has had
coups, counter coups and political turmoil over years. There is corruption in
Nigeria, because the federal state wields more power than the states. People
like Ummar Diko and Sani Abacha fleeced off large amounts of money, because if
their positions in a central like role. Looking at South Sudan, one sees a so
called federal state, where one man is intent on keeping power to himself, and
fighting off potential competitors.
Federalism comes in different forms, Nigeria type is no udifferent from
centralised governments.
Ssekajja
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On 20 Jun 2015, at 15:46, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
Brother Ben:
>From the years 1972 to date, Nigeria is unable to account for over $ 500
>Billion of Oil Revenue/s.
Can you please tell me how Federalism did away with that kind of grand
corruption?
Ocen
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From: 'Ben Ziraba Nyende' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:35
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Subject: Re: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
How much has corruption cost Uganda? If federalism can do away with corruption
and corruptibility then that alone will pay for the change and leave a lot of
extra money!
Billions lost in ghost soldiers and other workers.
Billions lost in pension scams.
Billions lost in unneeded military hardware.
Need more billions lost to ponder about?
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On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:41 PM, 'Dr.Edward Kayondo' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH)
Community <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Mr.Kwitonda,
Do you have any idea how much it will cost the Country to change to a
Federalism form of government? Give me an educated guess if you have never
thought about it in financial terms.
Eddie, MD
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From: john kwitonda <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
if he can come up with a comprehensive plan and what kind of federal he has,why
not ?Ugandans are yearning for it.he just needs to do some good work about it
and show how regions will benefit and red tapes h is going to do away with.if
he can shoe specifically in these areas like HEALTH, EDUCATION AND
agriculture,he can have it
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Frank Mujabi <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Eddie
It could, if federo would explain how it would remedy the mess Uganda is in.
Point is though does anyone out there understand the mess
They created !
Sent from my iPhone
On 16 Jun 2015, at 20:36, "'Dr.Edward Kayondo' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH)
Community" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Would a Federalism message gather enough votes to win an election.
Eddie, MD
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From: john kwitonda <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
KATEREGGA, Im happy to know that you are now on board. you have realised that
the unitary monster is taking us nowhere.you have been an advocate of regional
tier which is very difficult to implement and still keeps power at the centre.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Ahmed Musaazi <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Federalism good for Uganda and East Africa.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
I love how Museveni has thrown this steak to the slow thinkers, they are
actually biting on it for real.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:30 AM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: {UAH} MBABAZI MUST EMBRACE FEDERALISM TO REMAIN RELEVANT!!!
Ugandans,
To most, Mbabazi is a tear away from the old "gang" who have failed to deliver
promises and instead exploited Ugandans for their own gains. His recent
declaration is but a gimmick, which should be ignored. In his declaration he
talked of a change in "system of government" without elucidating as to what
that system would be. It is clear he has no idea what he is talking about and
how it would be delivered. Like his rival, they have no clue as to what is good
for Ugandans and simply carried on from their predecessors, with the same
results.
Mbabazi would never be a first choice for Ugandans but in the current state
anything but Museveni would do! Mbabazi needs to re invent himself by
apologising for the exploitation of Ugandans for the last thirty years and
counting and then embrace federalism by acknowledging that the system is broken
and must be damped. This will provide Ugandans with a viable alternative. Other
than, he and his nemesis are birds of the same feather albeit the sound of
Mbabazi's drivel, disregard the substance; is more easy to the ear than the
alternative. Mbabazi has also got to drop his arrogance. With the assertion
that "Ugandans do not know what they" one is reminded of the arrogance with
which they managed to divide people and how the gullible swallowed it "hook,
line and sinker" while singing praises way after the drummer had stopped.
For his sin, Mbabazi, with a working microphone in his hands and still alive,
must start singing the federal message because it is the message that Ugandans
want hear or else, he should follow the rest to the dustbin of history.
Akim
Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
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