Apologies, I keep forgetting to reply-all too. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Sean Keeney <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 21:46 Subject: Re: [uknof] Tracking BT MCT progress for VDSL hardware To: Paul Chambers <[email protected]>, Sean Keeney < [email protected]>
Thanks Paul, I think we're on the same page. I have to say, what the heck do BCS have to do with anything? I've been in IT for 33 years since I wrote computer games for Codemasters as a kid, they've never been other than an excuse for middle-aged men to drink ale and complain. I can't think of a single time they've moved the industry. Why don't BT engage with the techies? Hackathons, example source code, lots of ways of doing this? Why is BT a black box? Like it or not, BTOR and BTR are in a commodity market. If they don't agree with this, i'd suggest a word with the regulator. And again, none of this is aimed at Neil, who is an example of what the rest of BT should be. On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 21:39 Paul Chambers <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yep they sure don't make things easy to find. The SINs are atleast in a > stable location and easy to look through if you know about them. It takes > me forever to track things down on the openreach CP site. > > Having said that they do engage pretty well with CPs, plenty of workshops > and presentations on upcoming stuff and they do interact with some external > forums but it tends to be things like the BCS rather than twitter. So yeah > a bit 70s. > > For example this is one of the best overviews of the NGA rollout yet it is > sat on a BCS server not anywhere you can find it from BT. > > http://www.bcs.org/upload/pdf/sfisher-090311.pdf > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 21:27 Sean Keeney <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Paul, that's really useful. The point still stands though: >> >> 1. I Googled for ages and didn't find that >> 2. Other big internet companies (and BT is one) push these details out by >> default. >> >> It all comes back to BT as a whole acting as if they're in the 70s, when >> we had to use their phones and they were cabled into the wall without a >> plug. >> >> If their network is so good, why can't they shout about it? Why aren't >> they in the technical forums doing this? Why aren't they making the first >> move to help people interoperate with them? >> >> I was on a beta of GWT a few years ago (Google product) and I found a >> bug. Within 20 minutes I had a conf call with two of their best technical >> minds actually wanting me to debug it with them. I even received a thank >> you email. Why can't BT do this? >> >> There's a good example of this recently - BTs ipv6 rollout hit my router >> as I can see the ppp logs. It then disappeared again. Why can't they engage >> people like myself in this? Why treat all customers like adversaries? I >> could take the opportunity to ask them why they have dynamic ipv6 >> allocations - who knows, it may be a good and valid reason? >> >> This is a reason why wherever I can I pursue alternative connectivity >> than BT when I am contracted to for a customer. Unfortunately with BT being >> so large I cannot just let suppliers compete on quality. >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 21:14 Paul Chambers <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 20:44 Sean Keeney <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I was trying to implement multicast routing of the BTR (yeah I know >>>> it's retail but it's based upon BTOR standards) TV streams. No information >>>> at all, until I found somebody in the know who found the SIN (503) that was >>>> relevant on the BTR forums. I would have had to have a BTOR login to get >>>> this the normal way, and it took far too long. >>>> >>>> >>> All the SIN docs are available here without a login: >>> http://www.btplc.com/sinet/SINs/ >>> >>> Going back to MCT. There are over 100 items on broadbandbuyers 'bt >>> infinity routers' page[1]. >>> >>> There are what 10? routers on the published MCT list and who knows how >>> many that CPs have requested BT don't mention. >>> >>> I can understand not wanting to publish the details of a router before a >>> CP launches it. But could BT not say it will go onto the list 90 days >>> after general release similar to how the FCC handle delaying disclosure of >>> things? >>> >>> I can't be the only person here that struggles to answer if someone asks >>> me what router they should buy. How is a regular consumer supposed to know >>> which of those 100+ routers is certified? >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/store/fibre-routers/bt-infinity-routers/ >>> >>
