For those reasons, I choose the Rio Karma.
Its such a shame that they don't make it anymore =/ atleast to my knowledge.

Works fine w/o all the DRM bs on Windows, and Linux, and whatever, since they have a java based interface; and it also supports ogg vorbis.

On 11/20/05, Mary Kay A. Dranzo < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not to mention that the iPod doesn't have OGG support. (I'm pretty sure.)

The one I've drooled over for years is the Archos that Thinkgeek sells. Anyone have experience with these players?

-Mary Kay.

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: David Zakar < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: Re: [UM-LINUX] iRiver T30 or other mp3 players
>  Sent: 20 Nov '05 22:20
>
>  In my admittedly-limited experience with the iPod, I was under the
>  impression that you actually had to use something like gtkpod to put
>  music on, due to the way the iPod stores song information and file
>  locations. Having it just work with USB mass storage is not really
>  enough for full usability (although it suffices to get the songs off, I
>  think).
>
>  I've been very happy with my ZVUE - uses SD cards for storage, powered
>  by standard AAs, very active development team behind it. It also plays
>  video, and is reasonably cheap.
>
>  I'm certain there are other good choices, of course.
>
>  -DMZ
>
>  On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 22:06 -0500, Peter Teuben wrote:
>  > On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Daniel Speyer wrote:
>  >
>  > > Hmm, sounds like this probably isn't the player I want then (I'm not
>  > > crazy about flashing its bios).  Anybody know a portable MP3 and Ogg
>  > > player that works properly out of the box and is Linux-compatible?
>  >
>  > i thought the iPod was actually working under linux. plug it in,and
>  > it's a scsi drive. Like most MP3 players actually.
>  >
>  > Another item i'd like to suggest i feel ambivilent about is the power
>  > source. iPod's (and some other players) use rechargeable but proprietary
>  > batteries. That sucks in my mind, as Murhpy's law will dictate that you'll
>  > run out during a long flight or trip.... and then plugging in a standard
>  > (or even rechargeable) battery is just so easy. That was one of the strong
>  > points of that iRiver thing i have.  It plays 20 hours or so on a single
>  > battery. That's a good deal. It also does FM radio, and records  via
>  > line-in as well as a builtin mic.
>  >
>  > - peter
>  >
>  >
>  --
>  David Zakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>

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