True enough. If I could set up a listserv on any of the servers mentioned (Google, MySpace, Yahoo) by you and Andy, why didn¹t Kyle?
Having a ³community listserv¹ with a upenn sponsored URL would lend more weight and credibility than one set up at purple.com or yahoo or myspace, wouldn¹t it? I were a new resident to University City and wanted to go online with neighbors, I certainly would think so. On 7/30/07 1:36 AM, "Dave Axler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, and you can get similar free services from Yahoo, AOL, MySpace, and a > variety of other places. > The exact features vary from host to host -- some let you make files and/or > pictures available, some > offer public calendar features for group events, all have some variations on > how the messages are > moderated (if at all) -- but the location of an ISP is, for a discussion list, > generally not a sign of who > "owns" and/or "controls" it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Diller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Wilma de Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UnivCity listserv > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 8:08 pm > Subject: Re: [UC] True nature of UC-list > > You can pretty much do it yourself, for free at Google. Google calls listservs > "groups." > > http://groups.google.com/ > > > -andy diller > > Wilma de Soto wrote: >> > I see. How much is Kyle having to pay Penn to get them to host his server >> > and lend him an IP address? >>> > > Would I be able to do the same if I pay them to host a server for me and >> > loan me an IP address? Who gets to do this? Must one be directly >> > affiliated with the University or have someone who IS affiliated do it for >> > you? >>>> > > > On 7/29/07 7:32 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >> Thanks, Andy. Nice to read hard facts on UC-list this evening. >>> >> >>> >> Based on your experience, what sort of control do you think the Pope, or >>> >> the Franciscan Order, or Villanova Univ. exercises over the content of >>> >> this unmoderated UC-list, based on the mere fact of its mechanical >>> >> address? Suppose the list became moderated instead -- how would that >>> >> change the influence that Main Line Roman Catholicism now wields over >>> >> UC-list as we know it? >>> >> >>> >> -- Tony West >>> >> >>> >> Andrew Diller wrote: >>>> >>> If I may---- Actually, there is institutional affiliation: Villanova! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For some context, there are two things you need to know about any >>>> >>> computer on the Internet: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> 1. who hold the DNS records for that domain >>>> >>> 2. where is the IP address of the server located? (what ISP?) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Only large institutions (penn, apple, comcast) 'own' the blocks of IP >>>> >>> addresses that each computer must have to participate on the Internet. >>>> >>> When you pay one of these people to host your server, they lend you an >>>> >>> IP address. You then map a name (list.purple.com) to that particular >>>> >>> ip address, and then people can use your server. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> People don't find it easy to type in numbers like 153.104.63.228 all >>>> >>> the time, so other smart people invented DNS (the Domain Name system). >>>> >>> Almost every IP address has a DNS name mapped to it to make it easy >>>> >>> for people to use. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So using DNS, we can address things like email to list.purple.com >>>> >>> (which is a particular computer) instead of it's IP address, which is >>>> >>> 153.104.63.228. Both those point to the same thing. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So, to answer #1, it looks like Villanova holds the DNS records for >>>> >>> purple. So it is safe to say that there _is_ an institutional >>>> >>> affiliation for purple. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is the record for it's DNS: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >>>> >>> ;purple.com. IN A >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: >>>> >>> purple.com. 6716 IN SOA ftp.ece.villanova.edu >>>> <http://ftp.ece.villanova.edu> . >>>> >>> root.ftp.ece.villanova.edu <http://ftp.ece.villanova.edu> . 2006061100 >>>> 43200 14400 3600000 259200 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ;; Query time: 10 msec >>>> >>> ;; SERVER: 207.245.82.2#53(207.245.82.2) >>>> >>> ;; WHEN: Sun Jul 29 19:08:36 2007 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> And here is a GEO lookup for the actual list.purple.com computer: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The IP 153.104.63.228 is located in: >>>> >>> Country: United States (US) >>>> >>> Region: PA >>>> >>> City: Villanova >>>> >>> Latitude: 40.0369 >>>> >>> Longitude: -75.3486 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> (http://www.websitegoodies.com/tools/geoip.php) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So, there you are. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -andy diller >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> ---- >>> >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >>> >> list named "UnivCity." 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