I don’t always agree with Richmond (to put it mildly) but here I feel very close to his position. I think that the mother ship's attempts to make LC more up to date and at the same time more relevant to commercial software production are laudable, and even necessary to ensure the product stays in the game, so to speak. But (and there certainly is a ‘but’) there is a danger that the whole LC environment might move away from the very powerful “everyone can code” ideal. It may be simply that this list is preoccupying itself with more arcane stuff that’s outside the comfort zone of most LC developers, but instinctively I feel the danger is real.
Maybe there should be a “who benefits?” test applied to new stuff, especially stuff that breaks the existing model. Just my two Brexit-affected Eurocents Graham > On 1 Mar 2017, at 16:58, Richmond via use-livecode > <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > I'm sorry if that is how you understood my posting. > > What I meant was that many people don't really want to look "under the hood" > of the illusion > created by the desktop manager and so forth, with its artifacts such as > icons, folders and images, > to any of the abstraction layers underneath. > > The WIMP GUI has, by and large, become the standard way people interact with > computers, > and the family line that started with Hypercard was initially meant for > standard people, not > for people who delighted in getting themselves smeared in oil and whatever > from messing around > beneath the GUI. > > LiveCode is "real", and part of its "reality" involves sustaining the > illusion that one can program with > 'objects', dragging them around, rotating them, flipping them, and spreading > "jam" on them as if > they were slices of bread on a table rather than complicated congeries of > numbers. > > The messy way that one currently imports SVG images into LiveCode mucks up > that illusion. > > The fact that LiveCode can now import vector graphics is wonderful, and it > was not that I wanted > to describe as "sucking". What sucks is that, owing to the way one has to > import SVG graphics > the "standard" import model is broken, and it allows us to see some of the > sub-GUI stuff. > > Richmond. > > On 01/03/17 17:42, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> Read the post I was responding to. Richmond seemed to be making the point >> that the GUI of Livecode presented an illusion to the end user that they >> were working with a "real" app. As I said, I may have misconstrued his >> meaning, but that was what it seemed like he was saying. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 06:39 , David V Glasgow via use-livecode >>> <email@example.com> wrote: >>> >>> So…. there is no spoon? >>> >>> Oh Wow! Look at that! My code (and this email) is writing itself when I >>> just tilt my head and look meaningfully at the screen. >>> >>> Couldn’t resist. >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> David Glasgow >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> firstname.lastname@example.org >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > email@example.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list firstname.lastname@example.org Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode