You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira.
Jacopo On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: > Hi Michael, > > The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up > errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) > > It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for > a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. > > What party management functionality would you want to see in the > standalone framework? > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: >> hi Christopher, >> >> That wiki page looks great. Thanks. >> >> Do we need to remain Party there as part of framework? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Michael Xu (xudong) >> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 >> 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Christopher Snow < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> I've also started putting a page together on the steps for manually >>> separating the core framework: >>> >>> >>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Ofbiz+as+a+development+framework >>> >>> The pages are just my documentation of the steps needed. I still think its >>> a good idea to have a page for collecting the requirements. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christopher Snow wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Sounds good to me! >>>> >>>> Bruno Busco wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Should we try to write a "framework-only" feature proposal page like >>>>> the one Scott has writted for "Saved Searches" >>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Saved+Searches >>>>> collecting all requirements from the mails? >>>>> >>>>> Having the path written could help volunteers to contribute in the >>>>> right direction. >>>>> >>>>> -Bruno >>>>> >>>>> 2009/12/4 Christopher Snow <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new >>>>>>> proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is >>>>>>> capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of >>>>>>> the community at large. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as >>>>>>> much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and >>>>>>> discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this >>>>>>> substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and >>>>>>> generally improves the overall design. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Adrian, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite >>>>>>>> risky >>>>>>>> that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be >>>>>>>> accepted? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local >>>>>>>>> copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as coordination is concerned, there is an "umbrella" Jira >>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>> for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many >>>>>>>>>> times. And >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>> the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long >>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bruno, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>>>>>>>> the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely something the community as talken about many times. You >>>>>>>>>>>> will find several conversations searching the mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> topic will be much appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>> the diagram is consistent with codes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> however, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use >>>>>>>>>>>>> ContactListParty from marketing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: >>>>>>>>>>>>> (86) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 135 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 0135 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just found an article about the dependency: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> components under framework and application in my new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> application. Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (86) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 135 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove unnecessary components. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> component but party is a must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: 01453 890660 >>>>>> Mob: 07944 880950 >>>>>> Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP >>> >>> Tel: 01453 890660 >>> Mob: 07944 880950 >>> Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP > > Tel: 01453 890660 > Mob: 07944 880950 > Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk >
