hi Chris, Thanks.
For me, I need user, organization, role, permission functionalities from party management. But I think you are right that maybe we need a more elegant party management from framework perspective. Or maybe we even don't need party in the framework. (Just like JIRA did. JIRA implemented its own user/permission/role) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christopher Snow < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up > errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) > > It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for > a standalone framework that has basic user account management > functionality. > > What party management functionality would you want to see in the > standalone framework? > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: > > hi Christopher, > > > > That wiki page looks great. Thanks. > > > > Do we need to remain Party there as part of framework? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Michael Xu (xudong) > > www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 > 0135 > > 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Christopher Snow < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I've also started putting a page together on the steps for manually > >> separating the core framework: > >> > >> > >> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Ofbiz+as+a+development+framework > >> > >> The pages are just my documentation of the steps needed. I still think > its > >> a good idea to have a page for collecting the requirements. > >> > >> > >> > >> Christopher Snow wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Sounds good to me! > >>> > >>> Bruno Busco wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Should we try to write a "framework-only" feature proposal page like > >>>> the one Scott has writted for "Saved Searches" > >>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Saved+Searches > >>>> collecting all requirements from the mails? > >>>> > >>>> Having the path written could help volunteers to contribute in the > >>>> right direction. > >>>> > >>>> -Bruno > >>>> > >>>> 2009/12/4 Christopher Snow <[email protected]>: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! > >>>>> > >>>>> Scott Gray wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new > >>>>>> proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is > >>>>>> capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval > of > >>>>>> the community at large. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community > as > >>>>>> much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and > >>>>>> discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this > >>>>>> substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and > >>>>>> generally improves the overall design. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> Scott > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Adrian, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite > >>>>>>> risky > >>>>>>> that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not > be > >>>>>>> accepted? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Many thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Adrian Crum wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants > to > >>>>>>>> see > >>>>>>>> this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their > local > >>>>>>>> copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As far as coordination is concerned, there is an "umbrella" Jira > >>>>>>>> issue > >>>>>>>> for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> hi, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many > >>>>>>>>> times. And > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders > >>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>> lead > >>>>>>>>> the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long > >>>>>>>>> long > >>>>>>>>> time. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) > >>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Bruno, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael, > >>>>>>>>>>> the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is > >>>>>>>>>>> definitely something the community as talken about many times. > You > >>>>>>>>>>> will find several conversations searching the mailing list. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide > on > >>>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>> topic will be much appreciated. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) <[email protected]>: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I > >>>>>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>>> the diagram is consistent with codes. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on > marketing; > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> however, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does > use > >>>>>>>>>>>> ContactListParty from marketing. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) > >>>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | > Mobile: > >>>>>>>>>>>> (86) > >>>>>>>>>>>> 135 > >>>>>>>>>>>> 0135 > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just found an article about the dependency: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> From > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>>> components under framework and application in my new > >>>>>>>>>>>>> application. Is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | > Mobile: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (86) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 135 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove unnecessary components. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> component but party is a must. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be very > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> View this message in context: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> View this message in context: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> > >>>>> Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP > >>>>> > >>>>> Tel: 01453 890660 > >>>>> Mob: 07944 880950 > >>>>> Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP > >> > >> Tel: 01453 890660 > >> Mob: 07944 880950 > >> Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP > > Tel: 01453 890660 > Mob: 07944 880950 > Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk > >
