Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!)
It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: > hi Christopher, > > That wiki page looks great. Thanks. > > Do we need to remain Party there as part of framework? > > -- > Regards, > Michael Xu (xudong) > www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 > 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Christopher Snow < > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> I've also started putting a page together on the steps for manually >> separating the core framework: >> >> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Ofbiz+as+a+development+framework >> >> The pages are just my documentation of the steps needed. I still think its >> a good idea to have a page for collecting the requirements. >> >> >> >> Christopher Snow wrote: >> >> >>> Sounds good to me! >>> >>> Bruno Busco wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Should we try to write a "framework-only" feature proposal page like >>>> the one Scott has writted for "Saved Searches" >>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Saved+Searches >>>> collecting all requirements from the mails? >>>> >>>> Having the path written could help volunteers to contribute in the >>>> right direction. >>>> >>>> -Bruno >>>> >>>> 2009/12/4 Christopher Snow <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! >>>>> >>>>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new >>>>>> proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is >>>>>> capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of >>>>>> the community at large. >>>>>> >>>>>> The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as >>>>>> much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and >>>>>> discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this >>>>>> substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and >>>>>> generally improves the overall design. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Adrian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite >>>>>>> risky >>>>>>> that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be >>>>>>> accepted? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local >>>>>>>> copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as coordination is concerned, there is an "umbrella" Jira >>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>> for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many >>>>>>>>> times. And >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>> the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long >>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Bruno, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>>>>>>> the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is >>>>>>>>>>> definitely something the community as talken about many times. You >>>>>>>>>>> will find several conversations searching the mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> topic will be much appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>> the diagram is consistent with codes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> however, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use >>>>>>>>>>>> ContactListParty from marketing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: >>>>>>>>>>>> (86) >>>>>>>>>>>> 135 >>>>>>>>>>>> 0135 >>>>>>>>>>>> 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just found an article about the dependency: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> components under framework and application in my new >>>>>>>>>>>>> application. Is >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: >>>>>>>>>>>>> (86) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 135 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove unnecessary components. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> component but party is a must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 01453 890660 >>>>> Mob: 07944 880950 >>>>> Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> -- >> Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP >> >> Tel: 01453 890660 >> Mob: 07944 880950 >> Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk >> >> >> > > -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
