Sorry for the OT postings. My point was that you cant compare usage of PHP with Struts.
The number of Struts sites (or even java sites) will never overtake the number of PHP sites for the reasons i pointed out (although... zend are doing their best to kill off php by trying to move it into the enterprise arena and tying it with java). But for those same reasons, comparing the two is useless. As for JSF... It seems like a nice idea, but i havnt fully got my head round it. I cant see it killing off struts in the short term (just look at daily rate of postings on this list!!!) I do like the idea of replacing struts html tags with JSF. I certainly think JSTL/EL are nicer than the logic tags. I now have a dilema... I'm just about to start on another project. What technologies do i use? I guess i'll probably stick with struts. Though i may dabble with JSF a bit. Can anyone recommend any good resources? Sure a google search provides tons of information... but which is any good? Daniel. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Benussi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 July 2005 10:38 > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! > > > No offence but this is a daft conversation that I have seen too > many times. > Say Struts is dead to a certain Blue vendor who has just releases their > latest Portal server which is built on Struts and they may smile wryly. > > The number of sites out there running Struts is huge and the number of > products that rely on it as also fairly big. Anyone in the > telecoms industry > will know how even the latest version of Broadvision uses Struts. > > I have attended some JSF talks, and the technology seems powerful but I am > not sold. I came to server side programming from DHTML and like the way > struts still lets you work at that end with large freedom but > also a lot of > powerful taglibs. > > If Struts 'dies' I will take it on personally and do whatever it > needs that > it seems to be lacking. > > I have never done any PHP so I can't comment, but agree with the previous > comments in so far as Struts/Java/Servlets is for large applications. I > would not build a suite of actions and database pooling for my old mans > plane photos web site. > > As for this server requirements, yes Java (Tomcat whatever else) needs > server resources, but once its loaded it flies as its threaded. Am I right > in thinking PHP is not threaded i.e. holding F5 on a PHP page can > cause some > processing issues? Anyway no offence but I don't want to know the answer. > This is a Struts list and I accept JSF is vaguely relevant but I am not > going to utter another sentence about PHP. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 July 2005 09:46 > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! > > PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web page. Main > difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt require any > declarations/typing - which makes it nicer for less able programmers. > > But the big difference is server requirements. JSP uses a lot more server > resources. PHP can be made available on the cheapest mass virtual hosting > servers. JSP (let alone full java web apps) cant. > > Also, pretty much anyone with any programming skills can pick up php in a > couple of days. Same cant be said for e.g. Struts+Java+JSP+Servlet etc. > > This is why i am forced to use php for most sites (ok, so i > normally pass it > on to someone else here), and i tend to use struts for larger sites/apps > that are going to be hosted internally/on dedicated servers. > > Daniel. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 July 2005 04:17 > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! > > > > > > JSF has been there for a while. We have to see how it does in > > real applications. > > > > EJB has been there for many years, but its complexity of > > configuration (at least before mature tools were developed) kept > > many J2EE projects expensive and over budgets (bad ROI examples). > > > > Thus we have so many frameworks in Java. Sun is to be blamed for > > always providing UNPROVEN technologies for java. In many cases, > > following sun too closely is not wise. > > > > PHP was great but I hope java can catch up in real application. > > > > John H. Xu > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: netsql > > To: user@struts.apache.org > > Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! > > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:13:05 -0500 > > > > > > > > John Public wrote: > > > > After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently > > > > confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts > > > > becoming OBSOLETE. > > > > > > :-) Enhydra and Torque would say that too circa 2001. > > > Put up a site and lets see it. > > > > > > > Let's all get > > > > behind JSF before MS takes over the web. > > > > > > Nothing wrong w/ C# IMO. > > > I think PHP is "best(fast and cheap, lowest risk, most roi)" for > > > "genric" server side rendering applications. (But then... I think > > > the future is client side rendering ) > > > If JSF(or EJB) fails, it won't be becuase somone did not "get > > behind it". > > > > > > Competition should give us best answer, and I am all for using > > > better tech. Every few years I'd like a new tech please. > > > > > > > > > -- .V > > > > > > People are conversing... without posting their email or filling up > > their > > > mail box. > > > roomity.com > > > > > > No sign up to read or search this Rich Internet App. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. 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