--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Frode T. Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -Debugging.
> What does the request.paramterMap contains of variables
> form post/get? I have a small code for printing that...
> just pain to use the debugger for it.
> What does the valuestack contains? I don't know...

Or use <s:debug/>.

> What parameters are coming in from the post/get ->
> parameterinterceptor, and what is it trying to do? I
> don't know... 

Use a proxy, live headers, etc. AFAIC it's not the responsibility of the 
framework to show what's on the wire.

> -- Struts2 sucks
> I have spent 6months, and still struggle with it.

Just to provide a counter-anecdote, we've been happier with S2 than almost 
anything else in Java land so far.

> Struts books are ... thank god I piracy copied them first -

Maybe don't say that too loudly since some of us are the authors of those books.

> It's really hard to learn and get used to Struts2. If I
> quit this job, then they got to recruit a struts2 programmer
> or re-train another which will take forever.

Again, counter-anecdote; I've worked with three outside companies and have had 
them up-and-running on S2 in under a week. (They were already Java houses), 
including simplistic Spring usage, which was also new to them.

> I believe Struts2 was made by a Geek trying to get rich.

Guess what: S2 was made by geeks trying to get work done.

Most of us don't get rich from working on open-source projects, and quite 
frankly I take a little umbrage at the insinuation, so I'll cut this 
short--it's too close to the weekend to be baited.

> Stupid ppl can start code very fast in php.

And this is a *good* thing?

If you think inheriting an S2 project is difficult try dealing with an ad-hoc 
PHP app: there's very, very little worse in the world of computers than PHP 
apps.

As far as PHP-the-language goes, don't even get me started.

Dave


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