lol, another one that didn't read the sign ;)

musachy

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Frode T. Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -Debugging.
>> What does the request.paramterMap contains of variables
>> form post/get? I have a small code for printing that...
>> just pain to use the debugger for it.
>> What does the valuestack contains? I don't know...
>
> Or use <s:debug/>.
>
>> What parameters are coming in from the post/get ->
>> parameterinterceptor, and what is it trying to do? I
>> don't know...
>
> Use a proxy, live headers, etc. AFAIC it's not the responsibility of the 
> framework to show what's on the wire.
>
>> -- Struts2 sucks
>> I have spent 6months, and still struggle with it.
>
> Just to provide a counter-anecdote, we've been happier with S2 than almost 
> anything else in Java land so far.
>
>> Struts books are ... thank god I piracy copied them first -
>
> Maybe don't say that too loudly since some of us are the authors of those 
> books.
>
>> It's really hard to learn and get used to Struts2. If I
>> quit this job, then they got to recruit a struts2 programmer
>> or re-train another which will take forever.
>
> Again, counter-anecdote; I've worked with three outside companies and have 
> had them up-and-running on S2 in under a week. (They were already Java 
> houses), including simplistic Spring usage, which was also new to them.
>
>> I believe Struts2 was made by a Geek trying to get rich.
>
> Guess what: S2 was made by geeks trying to get work done.
>
> Most of us don't get rich from working on open-source projects, and quite 
> frankly I take a little umbrage at the insinuation, so I'll cut this 
> short--it's too close to the weekend to be baited.
>
>> Stupid ppl can start code very fast in php.
>
> And this is a *good* thing?
>
> If you think inheriting an S2 project is difficult try dealing with an ad-hoc 
> PHP app: there's very, very little worse in the world of computers than PHP 
> apps.
>
> As far as PHP-the-language goes, don't even get me started.
>
> Dave
>
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