Drew Jensen wrote:
Christoph Lukasiak wrote:
Tim wrote:
Drew,
I set up a wiki for the sbdc driver at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Base/connectivity/PostgreSQL
It is linked from the Base wiki page - Connecting to Non-embedded
Databases.
I have been using this driver since it came out without any problems.
really confusing :( - if i use only the wiki 'ui' i would rather not
find this pages
1. database vs. base -> there should be only one main place for such
info (base was also confusing in my past experience: the 'base' of
what?) or it should be really good linked
I understand you don't like the name,
that is not the point ;) personally i prefer 'base', but i do not like
the idea of two or more places for the same kind of info
but Base not database is the name of the module.
yes, but the application is named 'database' :( and also base is a
general word that is used for a lot of thing outside the meaning of database
When people add things about Writer should they use a root of word
processor?
that is exactly the problem we have to solve - i would suggest, to have
one place for the info and different links to this place, so it does not
matter 'where you come from' f.e. if you find a page named 'word
processor' you get a link to writer index .. but i am sure, the docu
coordinators will find a proper solution ;)
2. connectivity ist also suboptimal - i would await that f.e. postgre
connectivity docu is stored or linked from the 'postgre' wiki page ..
Why would that be more appropriate, or for that matter why only have
it on one site and not both.
not 'only', but i would search first for postgres info on the postgres
wiki site - if this site is linked from different places, the better
(but i think we mean the same at this point)
Someone who starts by getting postgres and goes to that wiki looking
for information on a front end package; finds information about
something called OpenOffice.org Base. Someone who starts with
OpenOffice.org Base and wants to look for other RDBMS as backends
finds information about something called PostgreSQL. Seems like a good
way to cover both contingencies.
yes
.. but as drew has already mentioned, we now have two database docu
coordinator for such kind of confusions :)
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Database_Docu_Coordinator
please support them
Regarding this - well supporting is one thing but to be honest I do
have a problem with the idea of the roles as 'gatekeepers'. It is
completely against the whole idea of a wiki. It fits well in the world
of a corporate intranet, but that isn't what we are building here is it?
please do not see it that restricted, see them as coordinators or maybe
'gardeners' in the wild growing wiki forrest :)
i am really happy, we have this two for coordination (they are really
experienced and proofed community members) - me and a lot of people are
really glad to have people that take over the responsibility and
coordination of single areas - it is not against the wiki idea but
against confusion, redundant and incomprehensibly information .. in
every good wiki you have diligent people that review the content and
improve the structure (crosslinking etc.), that is 'wiki culture' - the
point is not to control the info, if you have this in mind, but make it
better usable and findable - also it is not a must, but always a
proposal ;) nobody will forbid you, to make wiki sites how you like, but
in the most of cases i would be glad, if a coordinator would give me
advices like f.e. a site with your content already exist, would you like
to add the not redundant info to this site .. if you add this category
to your document, it would be better available .. may you translate your
great mysql odbc docu from german in english to make it also available
for non german native speakes ..if you want to docu postgre parts, but
have no idea what makes sense and what is needed, please contact drew to
adjust etc.
p.s. me and my colleague ocke (sitting some rooms next to me) have made
to sites with the same intention - in future time maybe one of us get a
mail from our docu coordinator, telling us we produce redundant and
confusing stuff ..
1.http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Report_Designer
2. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SUN_Report_Builder
I noticed that today on another mailing list Louis Suarez-Potts talked
about the wiki 'growing organically' as if that where a bad thing.
i cannot speak for louis, but from my point of view i have nothing
against 'growing organically' - in contrast to this statement i always
try to support growing in every direction and fertilize such ambitions
I don't understand this apparent tendency to hierarchy and control
structures.
you and me are part of it; that is also a part of the growing process -
the bigger a system gets, the more complex it gets and the more you need
help to use or even overview it - to improve that, we need experienced
people feeling responsible for single parts - in this case i see
coordination really valuable for the whole process
What is the fear - that people will put things in willy nilly places.
Well what if they do.
there is no fear, we want to improve this area because, like we
hopefully agree, it is not really good usable at the moment (the info is
really splitted, hard to find, partly confusing, redundant or missing) -
if people put things in 'wrong' places, because they want to do so, it
is their problem, but if they do it in a place, where nobody will find
them because they do not know it better and nobody tells them, they will
probably get frustrated and will not do it again
Someone asks them to move it, or goes in and adds missing category
links and if all else fails - go in and move it directly.
who should be that person? usually everybody think, someone will do it
and at the end nobody does .. i know that it works fine in some cases,
but also you cannot deny that it also fail in some cases ;) now we have
people, that are responsible and will hopefully do exactly that .. if
this is not needed at the moment, the better, but i do not think so - in
opposite to that, i think we need exactly that
For one thing, the problem right now isn't that we are being over run
by folks making too many entries, it is getting people involved in
posting anything IMO.
yes, exactly! 'nobody' is using the wiki, because the content is 'weak'
- 'nobody' writes docu for a 'weak' area -> to improve that, we have our
two docu coordinator, they also will contact people directly to invite
them to write, translate etc. docu to improve the quality of the whole
database docu area
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