On 06/26/2007 01:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There are hidden costs.  For one, a VERY buggy office suite.  I am
> using it for a business now, piloting the software as my company is
> considereing switching.  I can 99.9% guarantee you that the cost you
> pay in time dealing with bugs and design flaws is much more costly
> than just buying MS Office.
> 
> If you care about your data, don't use OpenOffice.

Sort of like clicking on http://www.servicesolutions.spx.com/ without
Flash? If I do that all I get is a black screen... unless of course I
turn on Flash.

Forgive me for bringing out your site/company, but the point being is
that some things work as designed for their target audience in the
appropriate environment, some do not. Your sites first impression on
anyone that is not running Flash in their browser is:
                <this line purposely left blank>
For those that run Flash perhaps the site works just fine and they will
eventually find and use your products.

Your impression of OOo within your business is obviously negative,
perhaps just as those without Flash or high speed connections to your
web site are negative. However once I figure out how to bypass the Flash
nonsense (http://www.servicesolutions.spx.com/welcome.html) I can
actually see your site, yet I cannot for the life of me figure out what
exactly you sell or manufacture -- all the links seem to launch off to
some other website. Cool products, just a very confusing and unfriendly
website.

Point being is that sometimes what works for you might not work for others.

Application software is a tool;
- you can learn to use and care for the tool properly,
- you can set it aside and use another tool, then pick it up later if
needed,
- you can care for it, or leave it out in the rain and let it rust then
complain that it doesn't work,

In the case of an opensource tool like OOo that your company runs for
*free*, you can test, approve/dissapprove, and if you wish disgard and
many thousands of dollars going through the same process with fee based
products (Microsoft in your case).

Microsoft indeed have some fine products; they also have billions of
dollars to throw at each product, millions of dollars to throw at each
icon or GUI button, and literally *thousands* of highly paid programers.
OpenOffice have some paid programmers (I assume) via Sun Micro Systems,
and the remainder of the code is provided by *unpaid* opensource
volunteers and organizations that contribute to the code.

If indeed you firmly believe that OOo is "VERY buggy" please expand on
the problems that you, and your company, have been having with the
software so that others can either help or verify that OOo has a bug
that needs to be reported.

>From what I see, you first started posting on this list about 12 days
ago regarding macros "How to address a form element from a dialog?".
Others on this list directed you to the developers list where your
questions might be more easily answered. There seems to be *no*
indication that you *ever* followed any of that advise to ask on the
developers list as you're back on this list just today asking "A way to
change event triggering behaviour for dialogs?"; and were *yet again*
referred to the developers list. So now you pop in declaring that "a
VERY buggy office suite"?

Being a bit smug here: "I can 99.9% guarantee you that the cost" of a
company hiring someone that can properly evaluate, and implement,
opensource business software and solutions, *and* *properly* evaluate
application software/tools for company use, will certainly save the
company money in the short and long run.

Short of it: post facts. The OOo community (users and developers) are
not afraid of facts. If there are bugs then they need to be properly
posted and addressed. Such bugs/problems can't and won't be fixed if you
(and others) don't detail the problems that you are having.
  Look at it this way... you've already receive more than $1,000 worth
of support and advise from this list in M$ dollars from 6/14/07 to
today. Quit acting like a M$ shill and at least give $100 OOo dollars
back by providing detailed facts.



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