John Frewen-Lord and listserv, Sirs: >This is not merely of academic interest. I bank with HSBC, and have both UK >and Canadian bank accounts, including something called Global View, where I >can >view on line (and switch money on line between) my accounts in both >countries simultaneously. The UK accounts are shown in DD/MM/YY format. The >>Canadian ones are shown in MM/DD/YY format when looking at statement >summaries or selecting a date range to view a statement - but the individual >entries in >that statement are shown in DD/MM/YY format! Needless to say this >is infuriating and confusing, and I wonder why HSBC do this, as they are >UK-based. >However, my printed Canadian statements are postmarked in NY State >with US postage, so there must be a US connection in there somewhere.
In my mail to Mark Reed on 11th Spetember 2008, I wrote: "Sirs: >No, you're right, ISO 8601 requires (at least) 4-digit years. Other than Bessiliasn Years & Julian day 'count of days', ISO dating has been wanting a change in 'count of the manner' Weeks/Months/Days be counted especially on adoption of Leap Weeks that, I feel arise this debate/examination of views. I attempted to show a way to express: All Numeric Decaday Dating between pages 121 thro 128 in my book - Towards A Unified Technology (1982), while proposing a 10-month Decaday World Metric Calendar. Continuous count of days in the year can be split/adopted in several ways: (1) YYYYMMDD (12-months; each month 28/29, 30, or 31 days); (2) YYYYWWDD (NO months but 52-weeks or 53-weeks (in Leap Years); each week to count '00 thro 06' i.e Sunday thrio Satureday); (3) YYYYDDD (NO 'months or weeks' but continuous count of number of days in the year from '000 thro 364/371 - during normal years or Years with Leap Weeks - as I suggest using simplke divide six(6) plan with added Keplers' Weeks'; (4) there may be other options to the format of year BUT count of days, using one of the above schemes. Count of Years in TWO digit is likely to confuse HISTORIANS unless a method is devised to cont years in BLOCKS of YEAR '00 thro 99 (inclusive), leaving count of centuries in Roman count, I guess! Regards Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 2454721)/995+D-214W36-04 (G. Thursday, 2008 September 11 H 23:33(decimal) IST" The fact, I intend impressing is that while rest of the world has NO HESITATION in following norms set/agreed by International community via Standard ISO 8601:2000 on 'Descending Order Dating', Why is it that few among us want continuation/confusion to remain and argue *MM-DD-YY or DD-MM(WW)-YY* defeating the very purpose of Standardisation in date writing. My contributions, if I may add: *LEAD TO DECIMALISATION/METRICATION OF TIME OF THE DAY IN RELATION TO ARC-ANGLE* apart from otherwise following the International norms! Please also see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_metro-contrbn.2007.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 2454902)/1361+D-080W11-02 (G. Tuesday, 2009 March 10H20:47 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ ******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Contact # 001(201-675-8548 (M) 001(201)962-3708(R) From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:43658] Re: 24 hour time Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:58:51 +0000 <<while they will read 04/07/1776 as "March seventh.">> ... as “March seventh????” J From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Mangum Sent: 10 March 2009 18:38 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:43645] Re: 24 hour time I prefer DD-MM-YYYY (and other formats in this order), but have found myself writing YYYY-MM-DD as of late. The problem I have with the latter is the difficulty in reading it. 4 July 1776 can be read "the fourth of July, seventeen seventy six." How does one read 1776-07-04? Or is the discussion about announcements and hours and not prose? What I like about the ISO standard is the lack of confusion: I think most Americans will know what it means, while they will read 04/07/1776 as "March seventh." Stephen Mangum On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Brian J White <[email protected]> wrote: There aren instances where that's handy.....but really, ISO standard is the way to go, worldwide. It's more hidden than anything else. I usually see it on receipts and schedules and such. But not for "human" use per se. Shame too, because it works nicely worldwide. At 11:08 2009-03-10, Stephen Humphreys wrote: I like the "Oracle" (huge US software company) way of doing things: 'DD-MON-RR' or 'DD-MON-YYYY' So today would be 10-MAR-09 or 10-MAR-2009 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:43635] Re: 24 hour time Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:18:24 -0400 You are correct in fostering the use of the ISO date format; however, I prefer to use a dash (-) rather than a slash (/) as a separator in the date format. For example 20009-03-10. A dash makes it better readable. Stan Doore ----- Original Message ----- From: John Frewen-Lord To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:49 AM Subject: [USMA:43628] Re: 24 hour time The best way for the US to change its date format is to go straight to the ISO format of YYYY/MM/DD. When Canada converted in the late '70s, this was the official format at the time, and all Canadian Federal and Provincial government documentation at the time had to follow this format. Regretfully, and primarily thanks to Mr Gates, this seems to have been abandoned, due in no small part to Windows defaulting to the US-only format, regardless of which country it is sold in. This is not merely of academic interest. I bank with HSBC, and have both UK and Canadian bank accounts, including something called Global View, where I can view on line (and switch money on line between) my accounts in both countries simultaneously. The UK accounts are shown in DD/MM/YY format. The Canadian ones are shown in MM/DD/YY format when looking at statement summaries or selecting a date range to view a statement - but the individual entries in that statement are shown in DD/MM/YY format! Needless to say this is infuriating and confusing, and I wonder why HSBC do this, as they are UK-based. However, my printed Canadian statements are postmarked in NY State with US postage, so there must be a US connection in there somewhere. If anyone does online currency trading, all the trading platforms are in YYYY/MM/DD format, and various online videos I receive from US-based gurus and experts are also usually shown in this format. This does save a lot of confusion. ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: [USMA:43625] 24 hour time What are the changes of the United States adopting 24 hour time instead of the AM/PM thing? Would there be some kind of law (which would probably occur after metrication) or would it just be one of those things people just adopt? What about date standards? I would like to see America start using DD/MM/YY instead of MM/DD/YY. What does it take for a country to adopt a date/time standard? Windows Live just got better. 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