VACList-Digest Friday, January 4, 2002 Issue 171
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Alumunum folding cot
2. Re: cabinet finish
3. Re: Alumunum folding cot
4. Re: cabinet finish
5. Re: cabinet finish adhesion of polyurethanes
6. Re: Alumunum folding cot
7. Re: cabinet finish
8. Re: drop-down bunks, and tires
9. Re: cabinet finish
10. Re: drop-down bunks, and tires
11. Re: cabinet finish
12. Re: cabinet finish
13. Re: New Tire Advice/Chocks
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Message Number: 1
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:47:44 -0500
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
Hi Gang,
For those looking for pics of the Folding Cot, I've posted some of the
hardware on Yahoo Photos.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wam52/lst?&.dir=/66+Trade+Wind+2001&.src=ph&.view
=t&.last=1&.err=Side%20Cot.jpg,Side%20Bracket.jpg
Later
WAM
> Message Number: 9
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:49:40 -0500
> From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
>
>
>
> Hello
> I've been thinking of building a set of bunks in my '73 rear twin.
> I need to do something in order to sleep all four of us comfortably.
> What does the folding cots look like? Is there a supply source for them?
> My kids are 4 and 6, would it hold them?
> Thanks
> Bobby
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DH
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:15 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Subject: [VAC] Alumunum folding cot
>
> Hi,
> Our 67 Globe Trotter came with a folding aluminum cot that hangs from the
> ceiling. My question is: where do you put it when not in use? I cant
find
> a place large enough to store the silly thing. Any thoughts on this is
> appreciated. Thanks, Dave H.
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
> http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
>
> I had the folding cot/bunk beds in my ' 73 twin Sovereign and my =
> daughters slept on them until the trailer sold when they were at least =
> 10-12 years old. I don't know if they are still available or not -- I =
> haven't seen any in a long time except for those in older Airstreams. =
> They were very pricey when they were available. A handy guy like you =
> could probably rig up something similar. I've seen aluminum cots that =
> could probably could be adapted at some place. Maybe Sams Club or =
> Cabelas. You might try www.cabelas.com to see if they have them.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
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Message Number: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:14:53 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish
RJ, I was interested in your comment about urethane finishes. What do you
mean by " adheasion differences?"
Thanks,
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 17:36
Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
> The original finish was actually Watco Danish Oil (thinned resin solids
> in a penetrating oil). Just be aware that with time, those urethane
> finishes mentioned will peel, flake and yellow because of adhesion
> differences.
>
> Best of luck,
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:26:40 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
That is the same set up I had with the folding cots/bunks in a ' 73
Sovereign. I had the brackets and cots over the beds on both sides. I'd like
to have one now so my 10 year old could take a friend and they could argue
over who gets to sleep in the top bunk.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 19:47
Subject: [VAC] Re: Alumunum folding cot
> Hi Gang,
>
> For those looking for pics of the Folding Cot, I've posted some of the
> hardware on Yahoo Photos.
>
>
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wam52/lst?&.dir=/66+Trade+Wind+2001&.src=ph&.view
> =t&.last=1&.err=Side%20Cot.jpg,Side%20Bracket.jpg
>
> Later
> WAM
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Message Number: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:49:13 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish
Finishes adhere to the cabinet surface by one of two methods.
1) grabbing a microscopic foothold in all the nooks and crannies in the
pores of the wood surface, or
2) dissolving the finish already applied & mixing chemically.
Since the pores are already filled with the oil finish, and the natural and
newer synthetic resins don't mix well together, any foothold the applied
finish gets is by whatever superficial boundary layer adhesion occurs. I've
seen that UV destroys this attraction quickly, resulting in the cabinets
getting a mottled look, and in some cases, the poly will come off in sheets.
That's it, just caveats as to what to expect down the road.
RJ
> From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:14:53 -0500
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
>
> RJ, I was interested in your comment about urethane finishes. What do you
> mean by " adheasion differences?"
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 5
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:46:04 -0800
From: "Carol and Oliver Filippi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish adhesion of polyurethanes
Jim,
Polyurethane finishes have a reputation for poor adhesion. But don't
despair. This is only a potential problem when you coat an old aged
polyurethane finish with a fresh coat. This is easily solved by careful
sanding - typically with a coarser grit abrasive than one would ordinarily
use with conventional finishes. if you are sanding wood, be sure to sand
with the grain so the scratches don't show.
Adhesion to a recently coated polyurethane finish (a second or third coat)
is typically not a problem - if the prior coat is less than a couple of
weeks old.
Oliver Filippi
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 5:14 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
> RJ, I was interested in your comment about urethane finishes. What do you
> mean by " adheasion differences?"
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 17:36
> Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
>
>
> > The original finish was actually Watco Danish Oil (thinned resin solids
> > in a penetrating oil). Just be aware that with time, those urethane
> > finishes mentioned will peel, flake and yellow because of adhesion
> > differences.
> >
> > Best of luck,
> > RJ
> > VintageAirstream.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:46:29 -0500
From: "Melissa Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
Wayne, Thanks so much!!! The pics are great! They really helped lots.
Melissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:47 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Alumunum folding cot
> Hi Gang,
>
> For those looking for pics of the Folding Cot, I've posted some of the
> hardware on Yahoo Photos.
>
>
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wam52/lst?&.dir=/66+Trade+Wind+2001&.src=ph&.view
> =t&.last=1&.err=Side%20Cot.jpg,Side%20Bracket.jpg
>
> Later
> WAM
>
>
> > Message Number: 9
> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:49:40 -0500
> > From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Hello
> > I've been thinking of building a set of bunks in my '73 rear twin.
> > I need to do something in order to sleep all four of us comfortably.
> > What does the folding cots look like? Is there a supply source for them?
> > My kids are 4 and 6, would it hold them?
> > Thanks
> > Bobby
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DH
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:15 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> > Subject: [VAC] Alumunum folding cot
> >
> > Hi,
> > Our 67 Globe Trotter came with a folding aluminum cot that hangs from
the
> > ceiling. My question is: where do you put it when not in use? I cant
> find
> > a place large enough to store the silly thing. Any thoughts on this is
> > appreciated. Thanks, Dave H.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
> > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
> >
> > I had the folding cot/bunk beds in my ' 73 twin Sovereign and my =
> > daughters slept on them until the trailer sold when they were at least =
> > 10-12 years old. I don't know if they are still available or not -- I =
> > haven't seen any in a long time except for those in older Airstreams. =
> > They were very pricey when they were available. A handy guy like you =
> > could probably rig up something similar. I've seen aluminum cots that =
> > could probably could be adapted at some place. Maybe Sams Club or =
> > Cabelas. You might try www.cabelas.com to see if they have them.
> >
> > Jim Greene
> > ' 68 Tradewind
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:00:37 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish
Thanks, RJ. I'm safe then because we sanded the original cabinet doors
before we applied the wipe on polyurethane when we refinished them. The new
bulkheads I made out of ash plywood did not have any finish before we
stained them and then applied the polyurethane coats. Should last another 33
years.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 21:49
Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
> Finishes adhere to the cabinet surface by one of two methods.
> 1) grabbing a microscopic foothold in all the nooks and crannies in the
> pores of the wood surface, or
> 2) dissolving the finish already applied & mixing chemically.
>
> Since the pores are already filled with the oil finish, and the natural
and
> newer synthetic resins don't mix well together, any foothold the applied
> finish gets is by whatever superficial boundary layer adhesion occurs.
I've
> seen that UV destroys this attraction quickly, resulting in the cabinets
> getting a mottled look, and in some cases, the poly will come off in
sheets.
>
> That's it, just caveats as to what to expect down the road.
>
> RJ
>
> > From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:14:53 -0500
> > To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
> >
> > RJ, I was interested in your comment about urethane finishes. What do
you
> > mean by " adheasion differences?"
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim Greene
> > ' 68 Tradewind
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:27:57 -0600
From: "Louis Joyner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: drop-down bunks, and tires
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I'll take some proper pictures, and attach them at the first =
opportunity, but that will be in about two weeks.
On another topic, I have assumed, since our trailer was parked for =
something like 20 years, that I have a great deal to do on the bearings, =
brakes, etc. Three of the tires held air for the 30 mile drive from the =
trailer camp where we found it, to my Dad's farm where it is stored for =
the winter. But I'm not going to trust them, even if they did perform =
beautifully that one time. As I proceed, however, do I have to replace =
the wheels? I gather from previous posts that they are likely to be =
two-part, and thus viewed as mankillers. Thoughts? Just how do I go =
about finding new wheels, and about how much do they cost? If the wheels =
are replaced, are the subtleties of type of tire, pressure, load rating, =
etc. less significant, or more? The mind boggles.
Thanks.
Louis Joyner
'64 Overlander Twin
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Message Number: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:18:01 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish
One of these days, I'd love to get a handle on the wood species used up to
the vinyl days of 1969. I was outbid on the Airstream materials sample book
from 1965 recently on ebay that would have cleared the mystery up.
In the '60's there appears to have been 3 to 5 depending on who you talk to.
Oh well,
RJ
> From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:00:37 -0500
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
>
> Thanks, RJ. I'm safe then because we sanded the original cabinet doors
> before we applied the wipe on polyurethane when we refinished them. The new
> bulkheads I made out of ash plywood did not have any finish before we
> stained them and then applied the polyurethane coats. Should last another 33
> years.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 00:39:28 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: drop-down bunks, and tires
The tire fit is complicated by selection of rim width and offset. Of
course the bolt centers have to fit along with the hub opening. Changing
rim width changes the effective tire width. Offset moves the tire in or
out on the axle to possibly run into one side or the other of the snug
wheel well. Its best to match offset and rim width. Then look for load
rating and visual appearance.
There are shops that specialize in wheels for cars, trucks, and
trailers. Many tire shops do a lot of business in wheels also. Most
automotive parts stores have catalogs of wheels, though most don't stock
them around here, and being sure about load rating and offset is
sometimes difficult because their catalog data is deficient on those
critical items.
The greater the ply rating of a tire, the greater the pressure it can
hold. The greater the pressure it has, the greater the load a tire can
carry. The greater the pressure, the stiffer the tire also, though
radial tires tend to be more flexible than the pressure would indicate.
Some people believe that radial tires on trailers make the trailer less
stable, that they allow the trailer to move sideways easier in the wind
and truck shock waves. At the same time radial tires have far less
rolling friction to give improved fuel economy, and since the tire tread
flexes less, it wears longer and since the plies of the sidewalls have
their grain perpendicular to their flex (not crossed over each other as
in bias ply tires) the sidewalls can be more flexible with far less tire
heating from that flexing. Also radial tires lay down a flatter foot
print on the road and so during braking, they tend to grip the road much
better and have a much smaller tendency to break loose and skid.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:33:53 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish
RJ, you may be able to get the information about the wood species used in
the pre-' 69 coaches from the Airstream sales literature if you or the folks
on the list have those materials. I remember seeing the type paneling used
in some sales literature (or maybe it was the owners manual on how to care
for the interior) that specified what wood was used. It wasn't material
related to the '68 trailers so I didn't make a special effort to remember
where I saw it but somebody down loaded a big file with all the
specifications, etc.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 23:18
Subject: [VAC] Re: cabinet finish
> One of these days, I'd love to get a handle on the wood species used up to
> the vinyl days of 1969. I was outbid on the Airstream materials sample
book
> from 1965 recently on ebay that would have cleared the mystery up.
> In the '60's there appears to have been 3 to 5 depending on who you talk
to.
> Oh well,
> RJ
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:56:09 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cabinet finish
About 1962 I rebuilt a 1918 round oak table that someone had put
linoleum on...GADS! The job was hard and when I got the whole thing clean
and ready I put on 3 coats of "Bar Top". It's a plastic material that to
this day, after feeding 3 kids and 2 adults for an entire childs life has
a fine finish! No need to do a thing to this table.
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Webmaster wrote:
> One of these days, I'd love to get a handle on the wood species used up to
> the vinyl days of 1969. I was outbid on the Airstream materials sample book
--
Yours Truly,
- Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (505) 524-3303 -
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
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Message Number: 13
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:55:19 -0500
From: "Robert Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Tire Advice/Chocks
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Terry, this is a wonderful idea, and you saved me money. I just
purchased new Goodyear tires for our Tradewind, and ended up with the same
problem Charles did with his lever wheel chocks. Needless to say, they're
very expensive at around $60 a piece, and I thought I was going to have to give
them away to someone who could use them. Thanks....this list is a wealth
of information and experience. Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry
Tyler
To: Multiple
recipients of VACList
Sent: 3/25/01 8:22:40 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: New Tire
Advice/Chocks
Hi Charles,
In your note, you wrote:
Partly based upon much of the discussion on this list, I purchased 5
new
Goodyear Marathon ST225 R75 15 D tires to replace bias ply
tires. I had an
unexpected event as a result. My wheel chocks no longer
wedge between the
wheels. I use the kind that have a lever action pulling two
chocks towards
each other to lock the wheels. These new tires allow a space
between them
greater that the chocks can fill, even though adjusted to the tightest
fit.
Crimony.... if it's not one thing,
it's another.
Charles, how did you solve it? I found a used tire and cut it to fit across
the chock face (top and
bottom), drilled holes and screwed the rubber tread in place. That was 20
years ago and they still
work - but look rather amateurish. If you solved it with a better looking
method, I might change
mine for a more modern look.
Terry
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<DIV>Hi Charles,</DIV>
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<DIV>In your note, you wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>>Partly based upon much of the discussion on this list, I purchased 5 new
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<DIV>>Goodyear Marathon ST225 R75 15 D tires to replace bias ply
tires. I had an </DIV>
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between the </DIV>
<DIV>>wheels. I use the kind that have a lever action pulling two chocks
towards </DIV>
<DIV>>each other to lock the wheels. These new tires allow a space
between them </DIV>
<DIV>>greater that the chocks can fill, even though adjusted to the tightest fit.
</DIV>
<DIV>> Crimony.... if it's not one thing, it's
another. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Charles, how did you solve it? I found a used tire and cut it to fit across the
chock face (top and</DIV>
<DIV>bottom), drilled holes and screwed the rubber tread in place. That was 20 years
ago and they still</DIV>
<DIV>work - but look rather amateurish. If you solved it with a better looking method,
I might change</DIV>
<DIV>mine for a more modern look.</DIV>
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