VACList-Digest Wednesday, January 2, 2002 Issue 169
Today's Topics:
1. Informal Poll
2. Notes on tires plus apologies
3. Re: Notes on tires plus apologies
4. Re: Accumulator and filter
5. Re: Accumulator and filter
6. Re:
7. Re: Accumulator and filter
8. Re: Notes on tires
9. Re: Alumunum folding cot
10. Re: Alumunum folding cot
11. Been working on mine.
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:23:43 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Informal Poll
Greetings and Happy New Years to all!
I am looking into setting up a 2-3 day Vintage rally in Southeastern
Indiana, near the Riverboat Casinos on the Ohio River.
There is a nice State park nearby we could possibly use, but some choices
have to be made.
Would you rather:
A - Have all the trailers together in one area, with a shelter house near
by, but have to dry camp (2-3 days). There would be water near by, as well
as a dump station.
or
B - Have full hookups and a shower house, but our trailers wouldn't
necessarily be together in a group, and we wouldn't have a shelter nearby.
or
C - Find another location where we would have hookups AND be together.
Please send me an e-mail, off list, to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and let me
know your opinion.
Thanks!
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:48:37 -0700
From: Chris Rasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Notes on tires plus apologies
Hi everyone,
Happy Holidays!
<red-faced> I apologize for sending not one, but two responses to
private e-mail to the mailing list. I'm terribly mortified.
In order to provide some value to the list instead of plea's for help
and mis-sent e-mails, here are some of my notes on tires:
I recently purchased an 31' Airstream Sovereign trailer. It has been
sitting for 5+ years. According to several posts to VAC and other
mailing lists, tires should be replaced if they have a) been sitting for
5 years or more or b) their provenance is unknown. Failure to do so can
result in spectactular blowouts.
http://www.tompatterson.com/AirstreamList/MHonArc/2000_08/msg00111.html
http://www.rv-coach.com/newsgroup/mechanics_corner/messages/5932.html
http://www.rv-coach.com/newsgroup/mechanics_corner/messages/5950.html
The sidewalls of the currently installed tires are imprinted with the
following code:
7.00 x 15LT
According to several excellent tutorials on tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/size.htm
http://www.nj.com/sites/etd/passengertiresizing.html
http://www.yokohamatire.com/04a1a.html
http://www.off-road.com/hummer/tech/bias-radial-tech.html
the code above means the following:
7.00 = cross section width of the tire in inches
15 = rim diameter in inches
LT = light truck
This seems to be a fairly uncommon size. However, in the Bay Area, I
found that the following store carries them:
Redwood General in Redwood City sells 6-ply, 7.00 x 15LT tires for
$64.95 each. (650) 369 0351.
I've not towed a trailer before, and the above is just what I've found
online--corrections are welcome. Thanks again for all your help.
Chris
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:13:39 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Notes on tires plus apologies
Airstreams are notorious for snug fitting wheel wells. Nearly every one
who has bought tires by size along has had trouble fitting the wheels
into the wheel wells. Its best to tow the trailer slowly to the tire
store and let them be the first to find their tires won't fit the space
available.
Rather than condemn tires on age alone, I tend to condemn them on visual
condition, e.g. sidewall cracks and tread cracks. Visible fabric is a
death sentence. Though I have had Michelin radials fail from the liner
breaking and falling loose so they wouldn't hold air.
Be sure to chose tires with adequate ply rating for the load your
trailer is, and include excess because its heavier in practice than just
its empty weight, by at least 1/2 ton, maybe a whole ton.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:18:42 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Accumulator and filter
Dear Airstreamers and Joe Insigna,
Joe, You'll find that few will regard your questions as a nuisance. We are
restoring a '65 Trade Wind Twin 24' and we may have overburdened some with
all our question about the couch restoration but eventually we got most of
the info to fix it. It is way more complex than people think.
Do any of you have the "Shureflo" accumulator as part of your plumbing
system?? We've replaced our old worn out and trashed original pump with a new
"Shurflo" pump but we haven't decided to install the accumulator. Should we?
We will install a thin (5/16th) t&g hardwoodfloor at some point in our
restoration. We'd like it to go under all the bulkheads. Has anyone done
that? Putting it under our couch, beds, and kitchen cabinet will be no
problem as those will all be out shortly. The bulkheads look more difficult
to remove and raising the floor up a tad will certainly affect how it goes
back in. We'll guess that the bulkheads will have to be undercut the near
exact amount of the new floor. Should we leave a small gap at all the edges
for expansion? Should we get it under the bath elements or not bother there?
In our restoration process we removed carefully the terracotta colored vinyl
mouldings. Our trip to "Home Depot" came up empty on finding a new
replacement. These mouldings are barely visible and are stapled to the
various shelves and cabinets before installation. Whose got that?
We've tried Varithane, Defthane, Polyurethane and one other finish on our
original Phillipine ribbon Mahogany woodwork. We are having the best overall
results with the gloss Polyurethane. Anyone want to comment on that??
Thanks so much, Stuart and Bonnie.
STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE *
CARDIFF BY THE SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX:
760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:56:00 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Accumulator and filter
Yes, I installed one of those accumulators in our Avion and wouldn't be
without it. Normally, the only air cushion is in the water heater, and
that can 'go away' over time, causing your pump to cycle excessively.
With the accumulator, the pressure is much more even and the water flow
more steady.
Recommended!!
<<Jim>>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Do any of you have the "Shureflo" accumulator as part of your plumbing
> system?? We've replaced our old worn out and trashed original pump with a new
> "Shurflo" pump but we haven't decided to install the accumulator. Should we?
>
--
<<http://www.oldengine.org/members/jdunmyer>>
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
<<lower SE Michigan, USA>>
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:35:24 -0500
From: "Rockfield, Terry A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
- My 26 ft.1961 Over Lander, Land Yaught. Has a Web covered metal frame that
folds in the middle
above the bed on the road side. It has two steel cables that attach to
ceiling to hold up the
outside. It folds in the middle and stores in the same space against the
wall.
1971 Overlander/ 1961 overlander-------Just bought the 71, taking to long
to refurb the 61.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry
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Message Number: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:18:39 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Accumulator and filter
Stuart, I'd advise against putting your new flooring under all the cabinets
and bulkheads. You will be buying yourself a lot of work. If your '65
Tradewind is like my '68 Tradewind you will have to shorten everything by
the thickness of your new T&G flooring less the height/thickness of whatever
floor covering was there originally. The bulkheads are secured at the floor
and ceiling as well as by the aluminum tracks. If you do not shorten the
cabinet holding the sink, you may find that the drain can't be reconnected
to the P trap, for example.
Airstream dealers or Inland RV may have the plastic beading (can't recall
the correct technical name) in terracotta color -- I don't know about
colors. My trailer had white and I used white weather stripping from Home
Depot. The bead was slightly larger but it worked and looks fine.
I had the best luck with the wipe on satin finish polyurethane on the new
ash bulkheads that I made and for refinishing the original ash cabinet
doors. I did not want a glossy finish on my cabinetry but that's a matter of
personal preference.
An accumulator tank can't hurt if you have a place to install it.
My opinions -- yours may vary.
Happy New Year to all. We are getting snow in Atlanta today.
Jim Greene
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:18
Subject: [VAC] Re: Accumulator and filter
> Dear Airstreamers and Joe Insigna,
>
> Joe, You'll find that few will regard your questions as a nuisance. We are
> restoring a '65 Trade Wind Twin 24' and we may have overburdened some with
> all our question about the couch restoration but eventually we got most of
> the info to fix it. It is way more complex than people think.
>
> Do any of you have the "Shureflo" accumulator as part of your plumbing
> system?? We've replaced our old worn out and trashed original pump with a
new
> "Shurflo" pump but we haven't decided to install the accumulator. Should
we?
>
> We will install a thin (5/16th) t&g hardwoodfloor at some point in our
> restoration. We'd like it to go under all the bulkheads. Has anyone done
> that? Putting it under our couch, beds, and kitchen cabinet will be no
> problem as those will all be out shortly. The bulkheads look more
difficult
> to remove and raising the floor up a tad will certainly affect how it goes
> back in. We'll guess that the bulkheads will have to be undercut the near
> exact amount of the new floor. Should we leave a small gap at all the
edges
> for expansion? Should we get it under the bath elements or not bother
there?
>
> In our restoration process we removed carefully the terracotta colored
vinyl
> mouldings. Our trip to "Home Depot" came up empty on finding a new
> replacement. These mouldings are barely visible and are stapled to the
> various shelves and cabinets before installation. Whose got that?
>
> We've tried Varithane, Defthane, Polyurethane and one other finish on our
> original Phillipine ribbon Mahogany woodwork. We are having the best
overall
> results with the gloss Polyurethane. Anyone want to comment on that??
>
> Thanks so much, Stuart and Bonnie.
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:55:18 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Notes on tires
Chris,
I believe that by the time Airstream started producing the 31' Sovereign
that tire sizes were fairly standardized. Most of the odd sized tires and
clearance issues came with the smaller, older trailers. I don't know if your
trailer originally came with radials or bias plys, but most people find that
radials are the way to go. I can almost guarantee that your trailer did NOT
leave the factory with light truck tires. While they are designed to be used
on trucks they are not designed to for use on trailers. However many people
do use them because they are a less expensive alternative, but there is
something better...
A tire with the letters ST designate that it was made for a trailer. The
most common size (and the one that I believe that will fit your trailer) is
ST 225/75R15. I would recommend a load range rating of "D". While some
people do not like them, I have found Goodyear Marathon tires to be very
satisfactory. I believe that Airstream used them for many years. Goodyear
did have a "silent" recall on the Marathons (and may still have). When I
took my tires in for replacement I was treated very well. They replaced my 4
year old tires and gave me new ones for just a labor and balancing charge.
FYI, I have been towing my trailer for over 20 years. Having good tires is
cheep insurance.
Scott Scheuermann
1960 Overlander
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Message Number: 9
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:49:40 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
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Hello
I've been thinking of building a set of bunks in my '73 rear twin.
I need to do something in order to sleep all four of us comfortably.
What does the folding cots look like? Is there a supply source for them?
My kids are 4 and 6, would it hold them?
Thanks
Bobby
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From: DH
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:15 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Alumunum folding cot
Hi,
Our 67 Globe Trotter came with a folding aluminum cot that hangs from the
ceiling. My question is: where do you put it when not in use? I cant find
a place large enough to store the silly thing. Any thoughts on this is
appreciated. Thanks, Dave H.
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Message Number: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:11:23 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alumunum folding cot
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Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 11
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:41:18 -0500
From: Jim Bounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Been working on mine.
It's been a while since I've been by, saw only a few posts and thought I'd
jump in and fill you guys in on what I did on my Christmas vacation.
My wife gave me one of the most expensive gifts I could ask for, time
during the holiday to work on the trailer. Time is the most valuable thing
to me and I directed a bit toward my 63 Tradewind.
Replaced the floor, rebuilt the frig, galley & overhead cabinets, replaced
the front sofa with a custom A/V cabinet, covered the ceiling and added a
few lights. If you go over to my web site (www.gmccoop.com) and click on
the "Airstream" page you can see some pics. The style may not be to
everyones taste but I think its pretty interesting. The bedroom area will
be done in a more natural style using taupes, tans, and other earth tones.
I still have a long way to go but things are shaping up. The carpet goes
in tonight and we're supposed to sleep in it at a rally this weekend, wish
us luck.
Jim Bounds
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