VACList-Digest Thursday, January 10, 2002 Issue 177
Today's Topics:
1. Source for Water Tanks
2. Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping
3. Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping
4. Moving a truck camper ?
5. Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping
6. Airstream Camping New Mexico Style
7. Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping - moderation
8. Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
9. Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
10. Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
11. Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
12. Rocky Mountain Rally-2002
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:40:16 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Source for Water Tanks
RJ, I don't know the best way to make information available for vintage
Airstream owners on sources for parts needed to restore and repair these
classic coaches we lavish our time and money on. But it occurred to me that
the resources section on your web site would be one good place.
So, for the future benefit of anyone who might need an original type
replacement water tanks for at least some vintage Airstreams (as far back as
the late 60s anyway) a tank can be ordered from Inca Plastics Molding Co,
948 East Belmont, Ontario, CA. The phone number is 909-923-3235. The exact
replacement tank for a '68 Airstream is an Inca No. 3 tank. They have others
and are an OEM supplier who will sell retail.
I found them to be very helpful. The lady who worked with me is named Mandy
and she's very knowledgeable. Good folks to work with and the prices are
very attractive. Check them out if you need a tank.
Jim Greene
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:23:07 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping
Who got the trailers from the place out in Arizona ? Bisbee I think ?
Sherry ?
Daisy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello VAC members,
>
> Thanks to Terry Tylers note of a few days back we've been thinking and
> rethinking our "Desert Star Ranch" RV campground project. How critical is the
> owning a lot situation?! We initially decided not to do that although we
> could sell about 4oo such lots that would enjoy a lovely desert setting, warm
> winter days and cool nights very hot summer days and sublime nights. We are
> primarily trying to keep it simple and all those owners might sue you over
> something or problem owners might be hard to get rid of some might pack rat
> thier sites bring in big dogs create a fire hazard etc etc. Also if you ever
> wanted to remove some of the campground like to build a hotel later...you
> might be in the unenviable position of having to buy out 50 or 60 owners just
> to redo the access!
>
> We like very much the idea of several Airstreams, Spartans Boles Areos Avions
> etc all set up for guests. We even discussed recently with VAC member John
> Starcher how we might accomodate VAC members rigs part time with some fair
> agreement to have thier rig at our site for the guests benifit when that rig
> might otherwise be sitting doing nothing and at least at our Ranch it sould
> earn some income for everyone. What the maintence and insurance issues would
> be... we're not sure. We think thousands would love and appreciate the
> Airstream experience for a weekend but then drive home and leave the cleaning
> and maintence to others. Anyone got some ideas on how to structure that?
>
> Also we discovered that there were more "Circles on the property than we'd
> realised. These are 230' diameter leveled sites where a previous solar
> photovoltaic "farm" had been built and failed. How should they be laid out
> for RVs and trailers? Would people want to park in big circles? We've never
> seen anything like that except for the old wagontrains! Some input would much
> appreciated. Thanks so much, Stuart and Bonnie.
>
> * STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
> SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:51:56 -0700
From: "Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping
> Daisy Welch asked:
>
> Who got the trailers from the place out in Arizona ? Bisbee I think ?
> Sherry ?
>
> Daisy
>
Hi Daisy and greetings from Bisbee -
If you're talking about Bisbee, the Shady Dell has not been sold. It's still
for sale, but I'm not sure how anxious Rita and Ed really are. If someone
walked in with $650,000 they'd sell it but so far no one has, and I don't
think they're anxious to negotiate. They are not at all interested in
selling the trailers separately. New people are running Dot's Diner and it
is busier than ever.
As for all those vintage trailers in Hatch, NM (the ones that were on EBay
as a group) the last time I went through there (middle of November) they
were still there but the property was for sale.
Happy Trails - Sherry
'63 Bambi, WBCCI 1104, VAC, WDCU, TCT
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:04:10 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Moving a truck camper ?
The Dangerous Idea, being an Avion truck camper that is in Peru,Indiana,
has resurfaced again.
However, I don't have a week or two to take Darth Vader and go get it.
If anyone lives near there and has nothing better to do, they can go see
it for me.
If anyone knows of a way to get it to Massachusetts, that might make
this whole dangerous idea possible.
Daisy ( who has enough to do..)
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:09:45 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping
Thanks, Sherry, for the update. I really hope someone will gather all
those lovely beasts up and give them a good home !
Daisy
Sherry wrote:
>
> > Daisy Welch asked:
> >
> > Who got the trailers from the place out in Arizona ? Bisbee I think ?
> > Sherry ?
> >
> > Daisy
> >
>
> Hi Daisy and greetings from Bisbee -
>
> If you're talking about Bisbee, the Shady Dell has not been sold. It's still
> for sale, but I'm not sure how anxious Rita and Ed really are. If someone
> walked in with $650,000 they'd sell it but so far no one has, and I don't
> think they're anxious to negotiate. They are not at all interested in
> selling the trailers separately. New people are running Dot's Diner and it
> is busier than ever.
>
> As for all those vintage trailers in Hatch, NM (the ones that were on EBay
> as a group) the last time I went through there (middle of November) they
> were still there but the property was for sale.
>
> Happy Trails - Sherry
> '63 Bambi, WBCCI 1104, VAC, WDCU, TCT
>
> >
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:25:42 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream Camping New Mexico Style
The thought of a desert campsite in New Mexico is weird. In the
summer it's too hot and in winter too cold. For 5 years I have done what
works for me. In the summer when it's Hot in Las Cruces, NM I drive 200
miles to Willow Creek Camp, in the Gila National Forest. This place is in
a large valley at 9,000 feet above sea level.
I camp facing Little Turkey Creek, that flows from the Gila
Wilderness located 20 feet from the camp. After getting the trailer level
and the stabalizers set, I get about 20 gallons of water from the creek
into the trailer. The hose from the grey water tank is stuffed into a
gopher hole.
Then I put up the Ham Radio Antenna's and get the radios set up in
their corner of the living room. With my laptop write an e-mail to my Son
and let him know I'm camped and ready to accept Grandkids.
A typical camp is for 3 - 4 weeks depending on a lot of things.
--
Yours Truly,
- Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (505) 524-3303 -
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:54:55 -0600
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream and vintage trailer camping - moderation
I heard them just asking for opinions and find nothing comercial about
it.lets not get militant
Gina
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>Gonna step in on this one for a second. In order to
>be fair to those who've been "moderated" before - This
>is a tricky topic for the VACList, and I'm not exactly
>sure that it belongs here. Commerce is discouraged if
>not outright disallowed on this list - and although
>what is being said here doesn't seem to be "commerce"
>per se - it is dangerously close, and sounds like the
>beginnings of a business plan. Other research
>projects with the intent for profit have been taken
>off-list.
>
>my recommendation is to consider the motive for this
>post, and determine if it's appropriate according to
>the VACList guidelines available here:
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>http://www.airstream.org/vaclist/guidelines.html#guidelines
>
>p.s. Airstreamers arrange in circles on the wagon
>wheel caravan as I understand it.
>
>Toby Folwick
>VACList co-moderator
>
>
>keyphrases selected below
>
> > ...although we could sell about 4oo such lots...
>
> > Also if you ever wanted to remove some of the
> > campground like to build a hotel later...
>
> > We like very much the idea of several Airstreams,
> > Spartans Boles Areos Avions
>
> > least at our Ranch it sould
> > earn some income...
>
> > Anyone got some ideas on
> > how to structure that?
>
> > Would people want to park in
> > big circles?
>
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:58:31 -0800
From: "Charles Willson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
Hi RJ,
Thanks for the info. I am not sure what the flange and slot are you
mentioned in your response. Here is the step-by-step of what I did. I
purchased both gray closed cell foam and black neoprene weather
stripping from Ace. Both had the same dimensions of 3/16" thick by 3/8"
wide. The original black foam rubber weather-stripping had severely
broken down and had plenty of cracks and channels to leak water. The
area of installation was L shaped and completely flat, just a tad wider
than the foam. I scraped all the old foam out from the bottom of the L
shape using a sharp paint scraper on the aluminum. I cleaned up any
debris/glue residue with acetone and then washed the area. The sticky
backed tape went down beautifully and when I closed the window I could
see a GREAT seal all around. I also felt less of a need to crank down
the window and risk stripping the turning handle. We had heavy rain and
wind a few days later and all was dry inside. BUT I noticed the gray
closed cell foam was spongy and had held water, the black was bone dry.
I re-stripped the window with the gray and applied the black. Now I am
going to remove the windows and the top edge after your advice. This was
an easy project that required few tools, little expense and can be done
one window at a time. The end result is I feel I have an excellent seal
around my windows now. I always take pictures with my digital and could
put together a step-by-step if anyone need the guidance. This is not
hard at all.
I have 2 other projects I have photo documented and would be glad to
publish if anyone is interested:
1) The addition of 3 low profile (invisible from down below) solar
panels to the top of my 64 globetrotter and wiring the charge controller
inside.
2) Converting the gray/black tank connector from non-standard
bayonet/frying pan to the modern valterra type fitting. This allows me
to easily use a sewer solution connector for emptying the black water
and to route gray water directly to a blue tank I place under the back
of the trailer,
Thanks!
Charles
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:30:22 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
The window comes out by removing the lifter from the inside of the
trailer, then removing the screw in the center top hinge, and then
sliding the window to the side (while lifted open).
Are you referring to the gray foam weather-stripping made by MANCO?
The problem I've run into with it is that the flanges are just a tad
too big for the slots, and the adhesive strip lets go in hot weather.
I know Steve at AirstreamDreams.com is working on a permanent solution
- lets all encourage him!
Later,
RJ
'57 Flying Cloud
'65 Caravel
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Message Number: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:19:17 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
Charles Willson wrote:
>
> Hi RJ,
>
. ...... The end result is I feel I have an excellent seal
> around my windows now. I always take pictures with my digital and could
> put together a step-by-step if anyone need the guidance. This is not
> hard at all.
>
> I have 2 other projects I have photo documented and would be glad to
> publish if anyone is interested:
>
> 1) The addition of 3 low profile (invisible from down below) solar
> panels to the top of my 64 globetrotter and wiring the charge controller
> inside.
>
> 2) Converting the gray/black tank connector from non-standard
> bayonet/frying pan to the modern valterra type fitting. This allows me
> to easily use a sewer solution connector for emptying the black water
> and to route gray water directly to a blue tank I place under the back
> of the trailer,
>
> Thanks!
>
> Charles
>
Charles:
I would be very interested in seeing you publish all 3
projects. I also have a 1964 Globe Trotter and have been
planning and sketching the exact projects you have done, so
your projects are all interesting, timely, relevant and
useful. Fill my eyes and mind with knowledge!
Fred Coldwell
VAC Archive Historian
Denver, CO.
1951 18' Clipper
1964 19' Globe Trotter
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Message Number: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:09:14 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
Makes sense now, at sometime in the past someone replaced your original
gray vinyl T-flanged 1/4" bulb seal with a different weather-stripping.
The original secured into that groove in the perimeter of the window
opening.
RJ
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> Subject: [VAC] Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
>
> Hi RJ,
> Thanks for the info. I am not sure what the flange and slot are you
> mentioned in your response. Here is the step-by-step of what I did. I
> purchased both gray closed cell foam and black neoprene weather
> stripping from Ace. Both had the same dimensions of 3/16"
> thick by 3/8"
> wide. The original black foam rubber weather-stripping had severely
> broken down and had plenty of cracks and channels to leak water. The
> area of installation was L shaped and completely flat, just
> a tad wider
> than the foam. >
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Message Number: 11
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:14:08 +0000
From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing Windows - 64 Globetrotter
At 08:58 01/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi RJ,
>
>Thanks for the info. I am not sure what the flange and slot are you
>mentioned in your response.
. .
The "flange" RJ is referring to is the drip edge over the window on the outside
of the trailer. The screw is a short #6 pan head screw in the center of the
trailer half of the window hinge on the upper part of the hinge.
Before starting, I suggest you go to RJ's website restoration resources page:
WWW.vintageairstream.com/rr_home.html
Read the section on "Window Repair", there are a number of good pictures
as well as a lot of excellent instructions and hints.
On my '64 Ambassador, I just had the rear window re-glassed. Here is how
I did it. You will have to very gently lift the edge of the sheet metal
flange
drip edge over the screw and work the screw out with a pair of pliers as
the drip
edge extends just over the screw.
As RJ says, the first step is to remove the window actuator arms from the
window. To do this, you must open the window all the way. From the outside
of the trailer, you will need to lift the window slightly higher than it is
when fully
open. The ends of the actuator arms have a small plastic slider that fits in a
track slot on either window frame side piece. Up near the top of the frame side
piece there is a small rectangular opening. You will need to use a very small
screwdriver or tip of a pocket knife to coax the slider down out of the track.
This must be done for each actuator arm if the window has two actuators.
Be very careful not to damage the slider.
If you find the slider is broken, www.inlandrv.com has the sliders for about
$5.00 ea. As the sliders are old, made of a white plastic, they may be
broken
or may break due to brittleness from aging.
I lifted the drip edge (flange) with a pair of common screw drivers. The best
screw drivers to use are well worn, aprox 1/4" wide tip, well worn so no sharp
edges to scratch the aluminum). Very gently insert the screwdrivers between
the flange and hinge several inches either side of the screw head.
They need to be just far enough from the screw so you can get on the head
of the screw with pliers. I used a small pair of needle nosed vice grips,
I think
the smallest size Vice-Grip makes.
You will need to back the screw out a little more than 1/8th inch using the
pliers
to grip and turn the screw as the drip ledge will be covering the top of
the screw.
The screw may come out completely which is OK. Do not leave the screw drivers
holding the drip ledge up, remove the screwdrivers holding the drip edge up as
soon as possible so there is no chance of hitting one and damaging or kinking
the drip edge.
Lift the window up until it is parallel to the ground or slightly higher
and the
window hinge half should slide out of the trailer hinge half to either the
right
or left. The window should slide very easily, if it doesn't, make sure the
screw is backed out enough and rock the window up and down slightly while
trying to slide it right or left.
After the window is re glazed, or gaskets replaced, reverse the process to
reinstall it.
The whole operation is very simple to do after you have been through it once.
With a little practice, you can have a window out in 5 minutes, and
reinstall it
in another 5 minutes, not counting for time to do a little cleaning and other
maintenance you may find needing along the way.
TNX, 73, Mitch - WA1YKN
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:44:27 +0800
From: "randy unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rocky Mountain Rally-2002
I have finally booked the time for the 2002 RM Rally at Blue Arrow RV park in Estes
Park, CO, same place as last year. The date is August 7-10. I have reserved 30 spaces.
Jodi Guerin of Laramie will be coordinating the Rally and has some neat stuff planne
We'll have the specifics out as we finialize the costs.
Randy Unter
'66 Overlander
VAC Region 11 Representative
Denver
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