VACList-Digest Tuesday, December 25, 2001 Issue 161
Today's Topics:
1. Re: 6 volt vs 12 volt???
2. Re: 6 volt vs 12 volt???
3. Holiday Greetings
4. Re: 6 volt vs 12 volt???
5. 6Volt Blues
6. Re: help identify this unit
7. Re: help identify this unit
8. Re: 6Volt Blues
9. 6Volt Blues
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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:28:24 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 6 volt vs 12 volt???
Stuart,
If you use a "Hoppy" lighting isolator/controller, you could power the
trailer lights from a 12V battery. I think the Hoppy would be triggered
by the 6V lights OK, but I'm not sure how you'd charge the 12V battery.
The lights would be very dim if operated at half-voltage, and the
trailer wiring isn't probably heavy enough to handle the current that 6V
bulbs would require.
<<Jim>>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Dear Vac friends,
>
> Perhaps some among you can help us with this question: Can we hook up our 6
> volt 1946 mercury v8 wagon to our Airstream and while under tow will all the
> driving light, turn signals, brake lights function? Will they function at a
> dimmer level and be possibly unsafe? Thanks, Have a safe Christmas and new
> year. Stuart and Bonnie.
>
> * STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
> SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
>
>
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:37:19 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 6 volt vs 12 volt???
Frank,
I use a Hoppy lighting isolator in my truck to power the trailer's
lights. It has a "power" lead that picks up +12VDC from the battery, and
3 leads that are connected to the truck's lights (tail, LT, RT). The
"trigger" leads only cause the isolator to apply power to the output
leads, they don't supply much of any current themselves. I'd personally
bet that 6 volts would be enough to trigger the device.
The biggest problem is if the 6-volt system is positive ground, as many
were. That probably won't work with the Hoppy.
It could be done with relays; one VAC'er made up his own system that was
in the trailer, using 3 of them. He used the trailer battery to power
the trailer's lights, but of course it WAS being charged from his tow
vehicle. A big advantage was that it eliminated voltage drop from the
tow vehicle to the trailer, so his lights were noticably brighter.
Stuart could use relays with 6 volt coils (if he can find them) and the
polarity problem is solved, but he still would have to charge the
trailer's battery. Of course, if night-time towing is limited and he has
a good on-board charger, the battery might well hold up w/o constant
charging while on the road.
And then, he has the problem of finding a suitable brake controller and
6 volt magnets.....
<<Jim>>
"Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" wrote:
>
>
> If you plan to tow the trailer with both a vehicle with a 12 Vdc electrical
> system
> and the '48 Merc, this becomes a lot more complicated however, it can be done.
> You will have to make or find someone to make for you a control box that uses
> the trailer 12 Vdc battery to power the lights, but is controlled by the
> '48 Merc
> 6 volt trailer hookup. Years ago, this would be done with relays, but now
> days is better done with FET transistors. There may be a commercial
> control device
> available... Its a area I have not had to pursue in quite a few years.
>
>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:20:46 -0500
From: "Lewis A. Lindner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Holiday Greetings
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
And tomorrow night, and the next night, and...
I feel that all you aluminum addicts are my warm and fuzzy family, in a cheery glow
around our (aluminum?) Christmas
tree.
Best wishes for the season, and for all the seasons to come!
-- Lew (and Bobbi) #4239
'72 Safari
bicycle
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:23:31 -0500
From: john dorsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 6 volt vs 12 volt???
The 6v equivalent of an 1157 is an 1154, it fits the standard dual
filament socket.
I would think that the wiring should be heavy enough for lights,
depending on the year of the airstream. I notice that newer model
anythings (80's up) tend to have thin wiring. The amp difference between
6 and 12 v is about double, so one 6v bulb is approximately equivalent
to 2-12v bulbs. Most older wiring was big enough to handle extra bulbs.
I can't think of any way short of a major electronics project to get a
12 brake system to run off 6v, EXCEPT that if you have a hydraulic
operated controller, you could add a power wire from the trailer battery
to the controller, then back to the brakes. It would take an extra plug
but would work if really have your heart set on this :-)
You could use the car to charge the trailer battery. There are also
voltage converters that change 6v to 12v but they aren't cheap or easy
to find. I have one for my firetruck to run a modern two-way radio. You
still have a problem if the Merc is positive ground, you would have to
reverse the polarity on your trailer.
--
John Dorsey
Wauchula FL
http://www.strato.net/~jrdorsey
'49 3800 Chevy Panel
'52 640 GMC Firetruck
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:34:42 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 6Volt Blues
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>Perhaps some among you can help us with this question: Can we hook up ou=
r 6
>volt 1946 mercury v8 wagon to our Airstream and while under tow will all=
the
>driving light, turn signals, brake lights function? Will they function a=
t a
>dimmer level and be possibly unsafe? Thanks, Have a safe Christmas and n=
ew
>year. Stuart and Bonnie.
Stuart:
I think the MUCH simpler solution is to upgrade the Merc to 12V. If it's=
not a show car & needs to be OEM, then the fix is a new battery, voltage=
regulator & new bulbs all around. You might need a new horn & this is t=
he time to move from vacuum to electric wipers. I did this with my 50 Wi=
llys Jeepster & it really helped all around. I don't tow my Overlander w=
ith it (like Tuna does w/ his V8 Frankenjeepster) but I do enjoy turn & b=
rake signals, dependable wipers & easy starts on cool days, and I'll add =
a stereo this spring
Jeff Miller =20
69 Overlander
01 Durango 5.9L
50 Jeepster
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s some among you can help us with this question: Can we hook up our 6<BR>=
>volt 1946 mercury v8 wagon to our Airstream and while under tow will =
all the<BR>>driving light, turn signals, brake lights function? Will t=
hey function at a<BR>>dimmer level and be possibly unsafe? Thanks, Hav=
e a safe Christmas and new<BR>>year. Stuart and Bonnie.<BR></DIV> <DIV=
>Stuart:</DIV> <DIV>I think the MUCH simpler solution is to upgrade the M=
erc to 12V. If it's not a show car & needs to be OEM, then the =
fix is a new battery, voltage regulator & new bulbs all around. =
You might need a new horn & this is the time to move from vacuum to =
electric wipers. I did this with my 50 Willys Jeepster & it rea=
lly helped all around. I don't tow my Overlander with it (like Tuna=
does w/ his V8 Frankenjeepster) but I do enjoy turn & brake signals,=
dependable wipers & easy starts on cool days, and I'll add a stereo =
this spring</DIV> <DIV>Jeff Miller </DIV> <DIV>69 Overlander</DIV> <DIV>0=
1 Durango 5.9L</DIV> <DIV>50 Jeepster</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:07:49 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help identify this unit
Could it be a '59 or a '60 Pacer. Pacers were 16 feet I believe. RJ sayes
its 18 feet. Jill, try measuring it ball to bumper.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 8:28 PM
Subject: [VAC] help identify this unit
> Could I please get some opinion on what this is?
> I'm told it's a '59 caravel but the serial number
> (though hard to see in this pic) looks like it
> starts with "16" and wouldn't that mean it's a 16
> foot model, which they didn't make in '59?
>
> I also included the curbside shot. I can post
> more pictures if it would help in identification.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/jillhari/airstream.html
>
> Jill
>
> =====
> What if the Hokey-Pokey is REALLY what it's all about?
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:31:11 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help identify this unit
Only hitch in that scenario is that Pacers had a serial number of SS NNN in
'58, SS 9 NNN in '59, and SS 0 NNN in '60.
HohHoHo
RJ Claus
> From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:07:49 -0500
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: help identify this unit
>
> Could it be a '59 or a '60 Pacer. Pacers were 16 feet I believe. RJ sayes
> its 18 feet. Jill, try measuring it ball to bumper.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jill Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 8:28 PM
> Subject: [VAC] help identify this unit
>
>
>> Could I please get some opinion on what this is?
>> I'm told it's a '59 caravel but the serial number
>> (though hard to see in this pic) looks like it
>> starts with "16" and wouldn't that mean it's a 16
>> foot model, which they didn't make in '59?
>>
>> I also included the curbside shot. I can post
>> more pictures if it would help in identification.
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/jillhari/airstream.html
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> =====
>> What if the Hokey-Pokey is REALLY what it's all about?
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
>> http://greetings.yahoo.com
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:06:10 -0800
From: Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 6Volt Blues
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i agree whole-heartedly... and, for things like gauges, instrument panel lighting,
etc., there's a voltage divider thingy to supply the 6v current where needed... i
can't find the relevant info/description of the 'thingy', but someone will come up
with it
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
Tuna
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From: Jeffrey Miller
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: [VAC] 6Volt Blues
<snip> I think the MUCH simpler solution is to upgrade the Merc to 12V. If it's not
a show car & needs to be OEM, then the fix is a new battery, voltage regulator & new
bulbs all around. You might need a new horn & this is the time to move from vacuum
Jeff Miller
69 Overlander
01 Durango 5.9L
50 Jeepster
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>i agree whole-heartedly... and, for things like gauges,
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6v current where needed... i can't find the relevant info/description of the
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><snip> </FONT>I think the MUCH simpler solution is
to upgrade the Merc to 12V. If it's not a show car & needs to be
OEM, then the fix is a new battery, voltage regulator & new bulbs all
around. You might need a new horn & this is the time to move from
vacuum to electric wipers. I did this with my 50 Willys Jeepster &
it really helped all around. I don't tow my Overlander with it (like
Tuna does w/ his V8 Frankenjeepster) but I do enjoy turn & brake signals,
dependable wipers & easy starts on cool days, and I'll add a stereo this
spring</DIV>
<DIV>Jeff Miller </DIV>
<DIV>69 Overlander</DIV>
<DIV>01 Durango 5.9L</DIV>
<DIV>50 Jeepster</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:34:42 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 6Volt Blues
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>Perhaps some among you can help us with this question: Can we hook up ou=
r 6
>volt 1946 mercury v8 wagon to our Airstream and while under tow will all=
the
>driving light, turn signals, brake lights function? Will they function a=
t a
>dimmer level and be possibly unsafe? Thanks, Have a safe Christmas and n=
ew
>year. Stuart and Bonnie.
Stuart:
I think the MUCH simpler solution is to upgrade the Merc to 12V. If it's=
not a show car & needs to be OEM, then the fix is a new battery, voltage=
regulator & new bulbs all around. You might need a new horn & this is t=
he time to move from vacuum to electric wipers. I did this with my 50 Wi=
llys Jeepster & it really helped all around. I don't tow my Overlander w=
ith it (like Tuna does w/ his V8 Frankenjeepster) but I do enjoy turn & b=
rake signals, dependable wipers & easy starts on cool days, and I'll add =
a stereo this spring
Jeff Miller =20
69 Overlander
01 Durango 5.9L
50 Jeepster
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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV><BR>>Perhap=
s some among you can help us with this question: Can we hook up our 6<BR>=
>volt 1946 mercury v8 wagon to our Airstream and while under tow will =
all the<BR>>driving light, turn signals, brake lights function? Will t=
hey function at a<BR>>dimmer level and be possibly unsafe? Thanks, Hav=
e a safe Christmas and new<BR>>year. Stuart and Bonnie.<BR></DIV> <DIV=
>Stuart:</DIV> <DIV>I think the MUCH simpler solution is to upgrade the M=
erc to 12V. If it's not a show car & needs to be OEM, then the =
fix is a new battery, voltage regulator & new bulbs all around. =
You might need a new horn & this is the time to move from vacuum to =
electric wipers. I did this with my 50 Willys Jeepster & it rea=
lly helped all around. I don't tow my Overlander with it (like Tuna=
does w/ his V8 Frankenjeepster) but I do enjoy turn & brake signals,=
dependable wipers & easy starts on cool days, and I'll add a stereo =
this spring</DIV> <DIV>Jeff Miller </DIV> <DIV>69 Overlander</DIV> <DIV>0=
1 Durango 5.9L</DIV> <DIV>50 Jeepster</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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